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The Debate by the Lake: Browns Fans Disagree on Planned MNF Protest

<i>The Debate by the Lake:</i> Browns Fans Disagree on Planned MNF Protest

Before we get into the heart of this post and this week’s podcast, let me just type something that all of our Browns readers can agree on:

Pittsburgh sucks.

Everyone nod in agreement, put down the Stadium Mustard, and now prepare to be separated into two distinct camps (both of which still hate Pittsburgh, no worries there).

In one corner: supporters of Dawg Pound Mike Randall and the walk-in-late protest that he and Mobile Dawg Tony Schaefer are planning for next Monday’s Browns-Ravens game in Cleveland Browns Stadium. If you side here, you most likely think Eric Mangini should have been shown the door with George Kokinis.

In the other corner: supporters of the opinion held by fellow die-hards like Peter Pattakos of ClevelandFrowns.com, who do not understand what will be accomplished by purposefully settling into their seats after kickoff. If you are on this side, you most likely believe that the correct next step for the Browns is something other than a knee-jerk firing of the head coach.

And now we bring you what I am officially dubbing The Debate by the Lake in which Dawg Pound Mike and Cleveland Frown Peter go head to head discussing their beloved Browns.

Two men with the same ultimate goal, but vastly different opinions on what the franchise and its fans should do next in an effort to get there.

Enjoy.

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Chiefs Fans Join Activism Trend: Demand Season-Long Deactivation of Larry Johnson

Chiefs Fans Join Activism Trend: Demand Season-Long Deactivation of Larry Johnson

Who knows what will come it, but Browns and Chiefs fans are fed up, pissed off, not taking it anymore, and letting the management of their beloved teams know about it.

Two Browns fans recently announced their plans to lead a protest during the 1st quarter of next week’s Monday nighter between the Browns and Ravens in Cleveland. The plan has received plenty of national pub and even merited a meeting with Browns owner Randy Lerner yesterday.

In Kansas City, fans are petitioning Chiefs GM Scott Pioli to not allow Larry Johnson back on the field.

Their reasoning?

He is close to becoming the franchise’s all-time rushing leader, needing 80 yards to pass Priest Holmes, and they do not believe that Johnson is worthy of sitting atop that esteemed list.

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Browns ’soul searching’ continues; GM Kokinis escorted out, Kosar could be in

Browns ’soul searching’ continues; GM Kokinis escorted out, Kosar could be in

Just hours after “soul-searching” about the fate of his Cleveland Browns, team owner Randy Lerner put his frustration to action with the removal of Browns General Manager George Kokinis, who was reportedly seen being escorted out of the Browns practice facility in Berea on Monday morning.

The Browns were not saying whether Kokinis resigned or was fired. However, late speculation from various media sources is, Kokinis was dismissed “with cause.”

The beleaguered — and largely absent — Kokinis, hired at the suggestion of Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini, seems to have been made the sacrificial lamb for the Browns 1-7 season, its anemic so-called offense, and the general frustration, malaise, and chaos that has been the Cleveland Browns organization since Mangini took the helm early this year.

As of Tuesday, Cleveland NBC affiliate, WKYC Channel 3 and the Lake County News-Herald have reported that Lerner has been speaking with former Browns GM Ernie Acorsi about the idea of possibly becoming the Browns next general manager with the purpose of grooming former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar for that role.

However, The Plain Dealer is reporting that Acorsi, is in retirement with no desire to go back to work.

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Top 10 Most Likely Candidates to be the Next GM of the Cleveland Browns

Top 10 Most Likely Candidates to be the Next GM of the Cleveland Browns

In case you have not heard, George Kokinis was fired yesterday from his role as GM (General Mute) of the Cleveland Browns.

He had been on the job for less than a year and was reportedly at odds with head coach Eric Mangini as early as training camp. Rumors have since swirled that former Colts, Browns, and Giants GM Ernie Accorsi will be hired by Browns owner Randy Lerner soon.

We here at Midwest Sports Fans, however, are not so sure. Accorsi is a GM with a pretty successful track record and his hiring would almost seem to be too logical and sound a choice for the Browns.

So we put together top 10 list of candidates who – based on the Browns moribund history since being reinstated in 1999 -are probably more likely to be named General Manager than a former Super Bowl architect.

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Browns owner Randy Lerner ’soul-searching’ for an answer to fix 1-7 Browns

Browns owner Randy Lerner ’soul-searching’ for an answer to fix 1-7 Browns

Randy Lerner, owner of the Cleveland Browns, stood near the tunnel to the visiting team locker rooms at Soldier’s Field in Chicago Sunday — and by halftime appeared frustrated, angry and disheartened as the Browns fumbled and bumbled its way to a 30-6 embarrassing drubbing.

Lerner admitted to The Plain Dealer he was “sick” about the 1-7 Browns, the team which ranks at the bottom or very close in all aspects of play, including the offense, defense and special teams. And starting quarterback Derek Anderson had a quarterback rating of 0 at halftime, improving to 10 before the final whistle.

But “sick” as Lerner was, he also said he was not ready to fire head coach Eric Mangini — at least not during this Browns bye week.

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Browns Lose Big, Mangini Loses Team?

Browns Lose Big, Mangini Loses Team?

Is it too late to give the Browns’ name, its colors, and history back to Baltimore?

When Art Modell sold the city of Cleveland down the river and moved the Browns to Baltimore, Clevelanders clamoured to keep the Browns’ name and create a new Browns out of…well, what would become a bunch of misfits led by poor schlep Chris Palmer in 1999.

After Sunday’s 34-3 humiliating annihilation at the hands of the former Browns, it is time to consider the 2009 Browns the latest group of misfits, and call the total new Browns a failed experiment.

But where to go from here?

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Browns Banter: Mangini Paints Over Browns Legend Mural While We Await Official Word on Kokinis

Browns Banter: Mangini Paints Over Browns Legend MuralCleveland Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini allegedly conspired to deface a depiction of the Browns proud tradition by ordering a mural of Hall of Famers painted over, thus driving a stake through the heart of true Browns fans.

The mural, located inside the team practice facility in Berea, featured Browns members voted into the Football Hall of Fame in Canton including: running backs Jim Brown, Leroy Kelley and Marion Motley; quarterback Otto Graham; and wide receivers Ozzie Newsome, Paul Warfield and” Glue Fingers” Dante Lavelli, who died earlier this week at the age of 85.

As a second-generation Browns fan, I’m glad I was not ordered to smack a paint brush over the face of Jim Brown. I could not have done it.

“I guess Coach Mangini just didn’t like the way the wall looked,” said Patrick McMannamon, beat reporter for the Akron Beacon-Journal, who wrote about the whitewash for ohio.com. On Friday, McMannamon told Tony Rizzo, host of “The Really Big Show”, WKNR AM-850 that he noticed the new paint job earlier this week.

There must be a reasonable explanation, Rizzo opined. (Besides Mangini showing a latent interest in interior decorating, that is.)

A media source close to the Browns organization confirmed it.

Mangini feels the Browns are not living up to its tradition and wants to start anew, the source said.
Since “coming back” in 1999, the Browns have lacked its own unique identity. Browns gear and clothing are embossed with the Brownie sprite logo reminiscent of its heyday in the 1950s and ‘60s, to the Kardiac Kids moniker orchestrated by quarterback Brian Sipe in 1980 to the “Big Dawg” mascot inspired by defensive linebackers such as Frank Minnifield and Hanford Dixon in the late 1980s to early ‘90s in the Bernie Kosar era.

The solid orange helmet – the only lid in the NFL minus a team logo – has been the most outward symbol of the no-frills, just-football philosophy since the Browns joined the NFL in 1950.
The Browns have struggled with its wardrobe, from the traditional all-white uniforms at home and the brown jerseys away, to the garish orange jerseys and the god-awful skin-tight black pants, abandoned after wearing only once in 2007 after a loss. (It looks as if the Browns donated those black tights to the Baltimore Ravens, who had quite a run in those pants before getting tripped up by Pittsburgh in the AFC cBrowns Owner Randy Lernerhampionship game, Jan. 17.)

Local sportswriters and broadcasters have been critical of Browns owner Randy Lerner for failing to establish a Browns culture from the top down. Lerner, an oft-absent owner who inherited the team from his father, Al Lerner, is a successful businessman with offices in New York and a pad in London to keep his eye on his Aston-Villa futbol club.

Some say Lerner should be in Berea, sleeves rolled up and nose in college rosters. But Lerner is no Jerry Jones. He hires the head coach and general manager – then hands over the reins.

While Mangini has begun to erase the old, he is also setting the stage for a new era under Brady Quinn who holds the fate of Mangini and the Browns in his hands. Let’s hope Quinn will play better than Mangini’s last quarterback for the New York Jets — Brett Farve, who ended a promising season in injury and interceptions.
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f not, Mangini could be out of the door, Quinn on the trading block and Browns fans facing yet another cold and grey winter.

Kokinis, MIA?

While the Cleveland media has promised the announcement of George Kokinis as general manager, as of Friday afterGeorge Kokinis - Browns GMnoon no word had come from the Browns. Kokinis, a personal friend of Mangini’s, has already been spotted in Berea, hanging out with Eric at the Browns headquarters, despite still being formally employed by the Baltimore Ratbirds.

After Pittsburgh beat Baltimore in last week’s AFC championship game, (stop gloating, Mr. MNRC), Kokinis wasted little time cleaning out his desk and heading to Cleveland, according to The Plain Dealer’s Tony Gross.

Mangini added five assistants, four of whom were also on the New York Jets staff for three years. The new hires are Bryan Cox (defensive line), Jerome Henderson (defensive backs), Andy Dickerson (defensive quality control) and Rick Lyle (assistant strength and conditioning).

The fifth coach, quarterbacks coach Carl Smith, actually first showed to coach the quarterbacks under former Head Coach Butch Davis from 2001-03. Smith left the Browns in 2004 to join Pete Carroll’s powerhouse at Southern California as quarterbacks coach. The past two seasons Smith was offensive coordinator at Jacksonville.

“These men are outstanding teachers and their energy and expertise will have an immediate impact on our team,” Mangini said in a press release.

Cox, a 12-year NFL linebacker, joined Mangini’s Jets in 2006, while Henderson, who played eight years in the NFL as a defensive back, joined the Jets in 2006 as director of player development, and moved into coaching the following year.

Dickerson began with New England in 2004 and then followed Mangini to the Jets in ‘06.

Lyle, one of coach Bill Belichick’s favorite players with three teams (Cleveland, Jets and New England), also followed Mangini to New York in ‘06, according to The Plaind Dealer. He doubled as the team’s nutrition coordinator.

These additions raised to eight the number of assistants hired by Mangini. He previously named his coordinators, Brian Daboll (offense), Rob Ryan (defense) and Brad Seely (special teams).

Vacancies remain at linebacker, offensive line, receiver, running back, tight end and perhaps a few more quality control positions.

No word yet whether Mangini has called for more painters.

LOTD: Randy Lerner and Dante Lavelli on Opposite Ends of Cleveland Browns Spectrum

Randy LernerBusy day at work today, so I will have to make this a quick one, but I really wanted to direct your attention towards one of the best Cleveland Brown sites out there: ClevelandFrowns.com. They posted a great article yesterday that details the contrasts between current Browns owner Randy Lerner and former Browns WR Dante Lavelli, who recently passed away.

Here is the intro, which perfectly encapsulates how many Browns fans feel right now:

Today we offer a juxtaposition of three bits of Browns-related news that might result in something of an emotional roller coaster ride for folks who care about the team. We start with complete helplessness, move on to depression, then wistful remembrance, to hope, before returning to the depths where Browns fans have grown accustomed to dwelling.

An excerpt, from the section about Lerner, which itself includes an excerpt from an interview Lerner gave recently (in italics):

“Are the football teams really satisfying him creatively, I wonder? ‘That’s a good question,’ he says with an expression that suggests the internal answer is another screaming and heartfelt ‘NO!’ [NO F*CKING SH*T!!! F*CKF*CKF*CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] It might actually be an excellent moment to send him a begging letter.” [YES! YOU SEND ONE TOO! PLEASE HELP US GET OUR BROWNS BACK FROM THIS GUY! F**************************************CK!!!!]

Now, an excerpt from the section about Lavelli:

Lavelli exemplified the greatness that the Browns once represented, and his memory provides a stark reminder of how far this franchise has fallen in the custody of the Lerner family.

And now, we send you theie way. Head over to ClevelandFrowns.com and read the full article. Sure, it may make you even more depressed to be a Browns fan — or it will give you pleasure if you are a Steelers or Ravens fan — but we might as well not hide from the truth: the Browns are an organization in complete disarray and it definitely starts at the top.

LOTD: Cleveland Frowns: Randy Lerner and Dante Lavelli (1923-2009): A Study in Contrasts, In Orange and Brown

And now some more links for you on a beautiful Friday morning here in sunny Dallas, Texas. (And while I do not wish for weather in the teens, it is January — it shouldn’t be 70 degrees outside. I am nothing if not a true Midwesterner. Where is the chill in the air? I have t admit I kinda miss it…)

What is front office end game for the Browns? — (Orange & Brown Report)

Michael Curry going with small ball in Detroit — (Hardcore Detroit Fan)

Recent Browns Lay-offs blamed on the economy — (WFNY)

Pretty sweet double alley-oop in a basketball game — (Black Sports Online)…and for the record, I don’t think you’d ever see similar video on White Sports Online, if such a site existed. Just saying…

Forbes 2009 Most Valuable Franchises breakdown — (The World According to MoonDog)

Chaos ensues in the Big Ten — (Off the Tracks)

George Kokinis Headed to NY to Meet With Randy Lerner – GM Agreement Expected

George Kokinis Expected to Become Browns GM TodayPro Football Talk is reporting today that George Kokinis is headed to New York to meet with Browns owner Randy Lerner. Once there, it is expected that Kokinis will reach an agreement to become the next GM of the Cleveland Browns, joining new head coach Eric Mangini atop a new chain of power in Berea.

A deal between George Kokinis and the Browns has been expected for some time now. He has reportedly been to Cleveland and according to one site I read (I don’t remember where, probably PFT) if Kokinis is not hired as GM, he is going to have an awful lot of inside information to take back to the Browns’ division rival the Ravens.

Of course, one thing holding up Kokinis joining the Browns was the Ravens deep playoff run. Now that the Ravens have gracefully bowed out of the playoffs, nothing is standing between the Browns and George Kokinis moving forward in the “ManKok” era of Cleveland Browns football.

Another interesting note: At the Orange & Browns Report rumor mill today, there is an interesting item regarding the chain of events that led to Eric Mangini interviewing with Randy Lerner and the Browns. There has apparently been some rumored speculation that Lerner extended Mangini and interview as a favor to Mangini’s agent and father-in-law, Ron Shapiro. Head over to the OBR to read more. (And by the way, for my PSA to all Browns fans today: my suggestion is to buy the premium OBR access. You don’t need it to read the post I just linked to, but their premium stuff is well worth the nominal charge and you won’t regret it.)

Browns Banter: Horrible Weekend Ahead and Lerner Continues Pursuit of Kokinis

Browns BanterWhile Browns owner Randy Lerner frantically searches for a general manager for his rumpled, crumpled Cleveland team, the idea has not been lost on him that the team’s major rivals are fighting for a shot at the Super Bowl.

Another un-Pleasant Allegheny Valley Sunday in Pittsburgh., Pa., the land of the coal black and gold.

For Browns fans, it is another Sunday of holding our noses while watching the Pittsburgh Steelers and Benedict Arnold/Art Modell’s Baltimore Ratbirds go to war. The winner of the defensive battle will face off against the victor in the Philadelphia Eagles vs. the Arizona Cardinals for the chance to play in the Super Bowl, Sunday, Feb. 1 in Tampa, Fla.

With the Browns last championship season in 1964, beating the Baltimore Colts, 27-0, Cleveland has never even set foot upon the hallowed ground of the biggest sporting match of the year.

Once again, choosing the lesser of two evil empires, I will be rooting for Piss-burgh while I wipe tears away with my own terrible towel. I don’t want to remind folks again that Art Modell, the most hated man in Cleveland, sold millions of loyal fans out by moving the Browns to Baltimore in 1995. So really it should be Browns vs. Steelers on Sunday.

That’s why I nearly choked on breakfast the other day while listening to ESPN’s Mike and Mike in the Morning show. Guest sports analyst Mel Kiper Jr., a Baltimore shill, extolled the virtues of Joe Flacco’s big arm and the grand schemes coming from Coach John Harbaugh’s big head.

Then Kiper decided to rewrite history.

“Baltimore has the greatest fans in the world,” Kuiper crowed. “For 13 years Baltimore kept getting passed over by the NFL while other teams were granted permission for expansion teams.

“Finally, Art Modell arrived in Baltimore and gave us our team.”

No, Mel. Actually Modell gave you our team, the Browns, and simply renamed them after the black bird in the Edgar Allen Poe poem.

In the early 1980s, Baltimore fans were rightfully upset when Robert Irsay and his Mayflower moving vans left Baltimore in the middle of night and dumped the Colts cargo in Indianapolis.

Despite having their guts and hearts pulled out by Irsay and Indianapolis, Baltimore accepted the stolen goods that represented the proud franchise of the Cleveland Browns, and never looked back.

Modell got his 30 pieces of silver, a new stadium, the love and adoration from fans that he craved – and a Super Bowl ring.
Randy Lerner - Browns Owner
Here is hoping Ben Roethlisberger has the greatest game of his life.

Lerner might not even watch the game. He will probably still be trying to nail down a general manager.

Lerner moved fast in hiring Eric Mangini to replace Romeo Crennel as the Browns head coach.

And while The Plain Dealer has reported Lerner is still interested in Baltimore pro personnel director George Kokinis to replace fired GM Phil Savage, Kokinis is not showing his cards.

It also comes to no surprise that Scott Pioli, Lerner’s first choice for GM, took the Kansas City Chiefs job. The Achilles heal of the Pioli hire was that he would insist on making Kirk Ferentz his head coach. The Cleveland media ran with that, but no one actually bothered checking the rumor out.

Now we hear that Ferentz has no desire to coach in the NFL, and he will stay put in Iowa, thank you.

So Cleveland would not have had to take a college coach with the deal, after all. But no way was Pioli going to work in the same city as Mangini, a former buddy who uncovered Spygate, tattling on Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick and by association, top man Pioli. While Mangini may have taken some satisfaction in watching Belichick’s non-apology, he ended up losing very powerful friends in New England.

The word was, others on Lerner’s GM short list, such as the Atlanta Falcons’ Rich McKay and Eagles’ Tom Heckert, dropped out of contention after Mangini was hired.

Former Denver Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist has reached out to the Browns about interviewing for the general manager position, but as of Thursday, no interviews had been scheduled, according to The Plain Dealer..

If I was Lerner, I’d forget about watching the game on Sunday. I’d be on the phone finding someone to come to Cleveland and help make this the winning franchise it once was.

Who knows, may some Sunday in January of 2111 (I mean 2011), we could be watching the Browns in the Super Bowl.

It could happen. Couldn’t it?

Browns Banter: Kokinis May Have Cold Feet for Browns GM Job

Browns Banter: Kokinis May Stay in BaltimoreBaltimore pro personnel director George Kokinis, Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner’s current top choice for general manager, may be getting cold feet.

One source told The Plain Dealer that Kokinis may be leaning toward staying in Baltimore.

Lerner was said to have scheduled an interview with Kokinis Sunday. But it was unclear whether this job interview occurs only if the Ravens were eliminated from play-off contention.

Of course, if you watched the game Saturday, you all know that Tennessee shot themselves in the foot about four times, allowing Baltimore to defeat the Titans in Nashville, 13-10. All the numbers point to a Titan win, but Baltimore’s defense showed up big time. And while the media is making a big deal about a rookie quarterback – Joe Flacco – and rookie coach – John Harbaugh – making history by winning their first two play-off games, it really was all about the defense. Can you say Ray Lewis?

George Kokinis was a frontrunner for the Browns general manager job, to replace the fired Phil Savage, because of his experience working under the traitor Ozzie Newsome. (Okay, I know, Art Modell offered the Wizard of Oz the job in Baltimore and it apparently was too good to refuse.)

The very fact that Newsome does not want to part with Kokinis, makes him even more valuable. Plus, Kokinis is a personal friend of Eric Mangini, the Browns new head coach, and the two could have worked together. This would be different than Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage, who clashed on everything from choosing players, to quarterbacks. Crennel wanted Brady Quinn after Derek Anderson proved to have the worst QB rating in the NFL. And the well-spoken and dignified Crennel certainly frowned on Savage’s explicit email after the Browns defeated Buffalo.

Now a Mangini and Kokinis marriage is in jeopardy.

Perhaps worrying that he won’t be able to coax Kokinis to come to Cleveland, Lerner has widened his GM search to include former Denver GM Ted Sundquist and Chris Polian, Colts vice president of football operations, as potential candidates, according to The Plain Dealer
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The Browns also have interviewed T.J. McCreight for the position. McCreight was player personnel director under former GM Phil Savage. (Oh, yeah. Now that would be a great hire. Someone working beneath Savage? I wonder if McCreight writes f-word emails. Think again, Mr. Lerner.)

Lerner has said in interviews that naming a general manager will take a back seat to assembling Mangini’s coaching staff. Mangini is poised to officially name Jets quarterbacks coach Brian Daboll offensive coordinator and Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan to the same post here.

However, Mangini said in his press conference that the first step would be to hire a general manager. But that was when Kokinis was considered a shoe-in.

Lerner’s very first interview was with Scott Pioli of the New England Patriots. Most Browns fans and local media voiced their preference for Pioli, but then he went West to interview in Kansas City, and when Lerner chose Mangini as head coach, Pioli’s name kind of went by the wayside. Lerner apparently did not think the gumbas could kiss and make up after Spygate. (In the spirit of full disclosure, my mother was Italian.)

Back to the play-offs.

I hate to say this, Much Needed Delusional Czech, but if it is Baltimore vs. Pittsburgh next week, I hope the Ravens lose.

But even if Baltimore blows it, will Kokinis turn his back on the City of the Dirty Birds and come to the Browns?

Only the Raven knows.

Eric Mangini Introduced, with His Wife, as Browns Head Coach at Press Conference

Eric Mangini held his first press conference this morning as the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns.

“I know the Cleveland fans,” Mangini declared. “The Cleveland fans do not just love football. They live football.”

He gets it. And he might have been speaking about himself.

Mangini, who worked as a ball boy under Cleveland coach Bill Belichick in the early 1990’s, was introduced by Browns President Mike Keenan who said in a written statement: “We selected the person we thought to be the most driven, passionate and most qualified … Eric Mangini understands how much we want this team to win.

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“With that, it is my great pleasure to welcome Eric, his wife, Julie, and his children back to Cleveland,” Kennan said.

(Picture below courtesy of John Kuntz / Plain-Dealer)

Eric Mangini Introduced as Browns Head Coach at Press Conference Conspiculously absent from the scene was Browns owner Randy Lerner, who has refused to speak before modern media technology such as television cameras, tape recorders, and laptops. Lerner, however, is okay with pen and paper and shorthand.

However, Lerner may be available for a closed meeting with select reporters, later today.

Speaking in a stilting manner, but with confidence and fire in his eyes, Mangini, who turns 38 at the end of the month, said he wants his players to be intelligent, hard-working, very competitive and very passionate about the game of football.

Mangini ducked the quarterback question, stating he needed time to access not only each quarterback’s game, but his presence in huddle and his intelligence. He said he would speak personally to both Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson, before naming a starter.

Although Brady Quinn was named the starter for 2009 by former Head Coach Romeo Crennel, that is not a given under Mangini. However, local sports analysts have said Anderson had his chance this year and failed miserably — and that he should be used as trade bait.

Again, Mangini wasn’t talking about any of that.

He did, however, commit to sticking with the Browns 3-4 defensive scheme, but did leave room for a bit of flexibility. Critics have complained the 2008 Browns did not have the personnel for a 3-4 defense, believing a 4-3 would have resulting in more blitzing opposing quarterback schemes — resulting in fewer opponents points.

Eric Mangini, who has been compared to his mentor, Bill Belichick, in being a man of few words and saying nothing when talking to the media, showed that side of his personality. Although his answers were somewhat wordy, he really didn’t get into specifics.

He used a broad brush in answering media questions, refusing to be baited into saying anything remotely negative about the Jets organization or his former quarterback, Brett Favre.

Mangini also deflected a question from Terry Pluto of The Plain Dealer as to specifically what three things Mangini would do to turn the Browns around.

“I’ve only been here for 12 hours,” Mangini said.

Mangini said his vision is to instill “a truth in sports”. He does not just want talented players, but talented, hard-working and disciplined players.

This could be a major reason Lerner chose Mangini. Romeo Crennel was rumored to have run a country club atmosphere with hugs and no hitting during practice. This led to the Browns being woefully unprepared when the exhibition season began in which Cleveland went 0-4.

This lack of intensity — and more than a few injuries — carried onto the regular season evidenced by having to call unnecessary time-outs and dropped footballs when players were not on the same page. The Browns were also tagged on mickey-mouse penalties for being offsides and having too many players on the field.

Eric Mangini will not tolerate any lackluster play, and will decide which players will play and which will go after doing his own assessment and evaluation, he said.

Mangini said he learned a lot from his first head coaching job with the Jets from 2006 until the end of the 2008 season.

There were so many firsts in his first year with the Jets, from practice rosters, to hiring assistants and sports psychologists. (This writer has believed the Browns have needed a shrink in the locker room for several years.)

First, the Browns had to hire a general manager. Although Eric Mangini will be there for the G.M. interviews, he is less interested in who will be assigned specific duties — the general manager or head coach — than in reaching mutual decisions and being on the same page.

It is clear that Mangini — not the general manager — will be the new face of the Browns. Cleveland’s new Browns culture will be determined and shaped by Mangini.

The Browns are leaning in the direction of hiring George Kokinis, who works in player personnel under Ozzie Newsome, general manager of the Baltimore Ravens. The Browns will not be able to speak with Kokinis under after the Ravens are eliminated. (This writer hopes that will happen on Saturday when Baltimore plays Tennessee.)

The only problem with the Mangini press conference was in many of the stupid questions asked about Mangini’s relationship with the Jets; why he was fired, if he has a chip on his shoulder, questions all asked to get some kind of rise out of Mangini.

With competing television, radio and newspaper reporters — and personalities — together in one room at the press conference, the air was charged with testosterone — even among the females.

Mangini has his work cut out for him in Cleveland. But at least he is not a virgin. He has his first coaching job under his belt and has faced off the New York media.

The last time the Browns hired a coach with NFL experience was Nick Skorich in 1971.

But Mangini with the struggling, fragmented and injured Browns team, has his work cut out for him.

Is he up to it? I am as optimistic as a Cleveland fan could be.

I can’t wait until August.

Go Browns!

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Also see:

Mangini Hired: Randy Lerner – Inspired or Tired? — (Cleveland Frowns)

Randy Lerner dropped the ball – must have learned it from Braylon — (Waiting For Next Year)

Breaking: Browns Reach Agreement with Eric Mangini to be Head Coach

Browns Reach Agreement with Eric ManginiBreaking news from the Cleveland Browns training facility in Berea, Ohio: Eric Mangini will be the Browns next head coach, replacing Romeo Cennel who was fired on Dec. 29 after a disappointing 4-12 season.

The official announcement will be made Thursday morning from Berea when Mangini will be introduced to the media, according to a report from WKNR AM 850.

The announcement comes on the heels of a rumor that Lerner was actually waiting until Monday to name his new head coach. That’s when former Denver Broncos Head Coach Mike Shanahan, would be available.

The Broncos were one game away from a play-off berth, and the firing of Shanahan was viewed a surprise to national sportscasters and most of the sports-covering press.

Mark “Munch” Bishop of WKNR reported after today’s announcement that Lerner had been advised to wait until Shanahan returned from a two-week family vacation — and to sit down and talk with Shanahan before committing to Mangini.

Apparently, Lerner, for whatever reason, decided to go with Mangini who actually started his career in Cleveland as an assistant under Bill Belichick.

Although the New York Jets at one point were 8-3 for the season, they ended their run at 9-7 and failed to make the play-offs.

Allegedly, Mangini did not like the acquisition of former Packer great Brett Favre to the Jets team last year. He managed to reign Favre in, but after about six games, Farve who was older than Coach Mangini ,took more control which some critics say, led to Favre’s typical gunslinger play — exciting and risky, and in the end the interceptions killed Farve’s chance to make the play-offs as a Jet, and Mangini took the fall for the disappointing season.

“Lerner simply fell in love with Eric Mangini during his first interview,” according to a news report from Daryl Ryder, WKNR beat reporter. “My only problem is, Randy Lerner was in such a hurry to get this done.”

Mangini is said to be recruiting assistant coaches from the Jets organization.

Mangini’s direct supervisor, the Browns general manager and perhaps team president, have not been chosen, although Lerner is said to be waiting for permission from the Baltimore Ravens to interview Kokinis, who worked under Browns great receiver and Ravens general manager, Ozzie Newsome, thought by many to be a recruiting genius.

Baltimore will play Tennessee on Saturday. If the Ravens lose the game, Lerner would be free to speak with Kokinis.

One can only hope Lerner was not in a hurry to get the Browns business out of the way to jet off to England to see his Astin-Villa futbol (soccer) team play. (Lerner bought the soccer team after the Browns were willed to him after the death of his father, Al Lerner, the original team owner of the 1999 Browns.

Phil Savage, the Browns fired general manager, also came from the Baltimore organization.

Tune in to Midwestsportsfans.com tomorrow to find out more details following the press conference.

Browns Head Coach-GM Update: Eric Mangini Reportedly the Clubhouse Leader

Browns: Eric Mangini the Front-Runner to Become Head Coach of the Cleveland BrownsLast week, I wrote a lengthy diatribe imploring Browns owner Randy Lerner not to hire Eric Mangini. My reasoning had nothing to do with Mangini being a terrible coach, and everything to do with the exigence of Randy Lerner making a hire that gives Browns hope and a sense of optimism heading into next year.

Hiring a recently fired coach who has the same New England coaching pedigree of our own recently fired coach is not my idea of renewing hope. Plus, I just don’t see Mangini’s aloof arrogance playing well in Cleveland, no matter how brilliant of a football tactician he may be.

Well, it looks like Randy Lerner does not pay attention to Midwest Sports Fans when deciding who to hire as head coach. (And, honestly, let’s all thank the good Lord for that.)

The latest report today from Chris Mortensen at ESPN is that Eric Mangini is now the leading candidate to become the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Additionally, Mort’s report says that Mangini could be hired as part of a package deal with a GM whose name is not Scott Pioli:

The Browns have continued their search process, interviewing other candidates, but sources say Mangini had a “compelling” interview and owner Randy Lerner is fascinated with him.

If Mangini gets the job to replace the fired Romeo Crennel, the favorite to become the team’s general manager is George Kokinis, who is the director of pro personnel for the Baltimore Ravens, the sources said.

Kokinis and Mangini each were members of the Browns organization when Bill Belichick was coach. Mangini formally joined the staff as an assistant coach in 1995. Kokinis was a scout from 1991 to 1995 before moving with the team to Baltimore.

This is obviously a very fluid situation, with new candidates seeming to emerge by the day and purported deadlines coming and going with now decisions ultimately being made. Thus, I don’t want to waste time speculating anymore on who the next Browns head coach and GM will be. I have made my feelings about Eric Mangini known, as well as my preference for Scott Pioli, even if it means Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz becomes the Browns’ new head coach. I think it’s now time to just sit back and see how it all shakes out before I waste my time typing about it anymore.

However, if you want to know all of the latest reports, here are some recent links for you to check out:

Mangini is the leader, but beware of unnamed sources in Browns head coach/GM search – (Pro Football Talk)

Is Pioli taking a page out of father-in-law Parcells’ book by maximizing leverage? – (Pro Football Talk) – Interesting post in which Florio echoes what I’ve been saying: that Browns fans are not going to want Mangini (nor another former Ravens personnel guy as GM) because we’ve been there, done that.

Mike Shanahan puts off Browns for two weeks, candidacy likely over in Cleveland – (Plain-Dealer)

Josh McDaniels and Mel Tucker make their case to become Browns head coach – (Plain-Dealer)

Browns like Mangini and Pioli; Can they get both? – (Plain-Dealer)

Latest News and Rumors on the Browns coach/GM search – (Orange and Brown Report – pay for the premium service, by the way. It’s worth it.)

Rumor of package deal with Ferentz makes Scott Pioli not look like such a good choice – (Dawg Pound Daily)

So there you go. I have heard from a few different sources that something will be happening with Scott Pioli imminently, and of course nothing has happened yet. I am going to watch the IU-Iowa game, and then the Colts-Chargers game, and try not to worry about the frustrating roller-coaster ride that has been Randy Lerner’s search for a new GM and head coach. Of course, if something definitive actually happens, I’m sure I’ll hop on here and get you updated.

All I know “for sure” is this: Eric Mangini definitely appears to be front-runner for the Browns head coaching job, and I don’t like it any more today than I did earlier this week. And if it precludes the Browns from getting Scott Pioli, I like it even less.

But it’s time to stop worrying at this point — and just start waiting. Randy Lerner wants to get something done quickly, so hopefully it will.

Weren’t things much more tidy and exciting when everyone was assuming Bill Cowher would be coming to town? Oh the good ‘ol days…

Scott Pioli-Kirk Ferentz Combo a Possibility for Cleveland Browns

It is time for our daily discussion of the Cleveland Browns’ GM and head coaching positions.Scott Pioli-Kirk Ferentz Combo A Possibility for Browns

When I left off yesterday, I mentioned that Browns owner Randy Lerner had interviewed Scott Pioli for the GM position. As of last night, a report out of Boston indicated that Lerner had placed a pretty immediate deadline on Scott Pioli to make a decision. However, as reported by Mary Kay Cabot in the Plain-Dealer this afternoon, sources close to the Browns say that no such deadline was placed on Scott Pioli.

So who knows what the real deal is with all of these unnamed sources floating around. All I know is that at this point no announcement has been made that Scott Pioli is or is not the next GM of the Cleveland Browns. So I shall continue hoping that eventually the announcement is made that he takes the job.

Over the past few days I have spent some time discussing many of the candidates for head coach that Randy Lerner has already scheduled interviews with, and others who are rumored to have a chance at Romeo Crennel’s former gig. One name that has been thrown out that I have not discussed much is Kirk Ferentz, the head coach at Iowa.

The rumors of Kirk Ferentz having a chance at the Browns job are based upon his close relationship with Scott Pioli. The two worked together with the Browns back in the mid-90s when Bill Belichick was in Cleveland. The conventional wisdom has been that, should Scott Pioli leave New England and become GM at another franchise, that he might bring his good friend in as head coach.

You may remember that back around the 2002-2004 seasons, Ferentz’s name was mentioned often for NFL jobs. During that three-year span, Ferentz’ Iowa Hawkeye teams compiled a 31-7 record. In the years since, however, a couple of factors have cooled the Ferentz-to-the-NFL talk:

  1. The Hawkeyes have fallen off a bit. Before this season’s 9-4 record and Outback Bowl victory, Iowa was only 19-18 from 2005-2007.
  2. Many of the high profile college-coach-to-NFL experiments have fizzled big time. Nick Saban left LSU for the Dolphins, and stayed only two years before bolting for Alabama and leaving lots of hard feelings in Miami. Bobby Petrino infamously walked out on the Atlanta Falcons mid-season to take the head job at Arkansas and not only left bad feelings, but forever became an icon of douchebaggery in the eyes of NFL fans everywhere. These are just two examples of many over the years.
  3. The last few seasons have seen many incredible year-to-year turnarounds, in which an NFL team is pathetic one season and good the next. Just this season the Dolphins, Ravens, and Falcons completely defied preseason expectations to make the playoffs. All three teams had rookie head coaches who were assistants in the NFL the previous season. That is why names like Jim Schwartz, Josh McDaneisl, and Steve Spagnuolo, among others, have become such hot commodities this offseason.

Iowa Coach Kirk Ferentz a Possibility as Head Coach of Browns if Pioli is GMWith these three factors working against him, it is no wonder that Kirk Ferentz’s star has faded a bit with respect to his potential candidacy as an NFL coach. Plus, when many teams made overtures to Ferentz when he was hot in 2002-2004 (and even a few during 2006), he rebuffed them to stay at Iowa where he had been a coach under Hayden Fry in the 1980s. Ferentz signed a contract extension in 2004 to keep him at Iowa until 2012, and then restructured his deal in 2006 to become the highest paid coach in the Big Ten at $2.7 million annually. (All of this bio information is from his Wikipedia page, by the way.)

Earlier today, as reported by College Football Talk, after Iowa defeated South Carolina in the Outback Bowl, Kirk Ferentz addressed the renewed speculation that he could be a potential candidate to become head coach wherever Scott Pioli ends up.

Here as an excerpt from the CFT story on Ferentz:

Said Ferentz: “Scott’s a great friend of mine, and I think it’s a mutual thing. I think it’s presumptuous to think anybody knows what he’s doing right now, and he and I haven’t talked in three weeks. We’ve both been doing our jobs. I’ve got a great job at Iowa, I’ve said that many, many times. The people are fantastic, and I just feel very, very fortunate.”

Asked where the NFL fits on his “to do” list, Ferentz said, “I don’t have a ‘to do’ list. I never have. I just try to live every day and enjoy them, and I can’t think of a year I’ve enjoyed much more than this one.”

I don’t know about you, but I certainly do not read anything in there that leads me to believe that Kirk Ferentz is 100% committed to staying at Iowa. And I’m certainly not saying that to be negative in any way — it’s much better than Nick Saban chastising reporters for asking him if he is interested in Alabama, and then lying and saying no, only to leave shortly thereafter.

What I am saying is that it certainly appears that if Scott Pioli gets a GM gig in Cleveland, Kansas City, or anywhere else, that Kirk Ferentz will be right at the top of the list of candidates to be head coach. Add up the success that Ferentz has had at Iowa, his close relationship with Scott Pioli, a realization that he may be running out of chances to jump to the NFL if that is one of his goals, and the obvious bump in pay he would receive, and I think it is actually presumptuous to not consider Kirk Ferentz as a possibility to be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns. Scott Pioli is the #1 choice of Randy Lerner to be GM, and until Pioli is ruled out, you have to assume the possibility that Kirk Ferentz could follow if Pioli takes the job.

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My position has always been that I do not want one of my teams reaching into the college ranks for its head coach. Just look at the litany of failed experiments bringing college coaches to the NFL. Lou Bobby Petrino Is a ShlongHoltz, Steve Spurrier, Butch Davis, Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, and I could go on and on.

(As a quick aside, look at the picture of Bobby Petrino to the right, and notice how uncomfortable he looks holding the Falcons helmet. This is a perfect metaphor of what happens to college coaches in the NFL. They are out of their element, out of their comfort zone, and it leads to problems.)

Now try to list off the successful examples of college coaches jumping to the NFL. I can come up with Jimmy Johnson, and that’s it. Please, if I’m leaving someone out, tell me in the comments section.

The fact remains that there have been far more failures that successes. And when you look at the history of the Cleveland Browns since they returned to the NFL, the franchise itself has had far, far more failures than successes. So how would it possibly make sense to take a strategy that fails more than it succeeds, add it to a franchise that fails more than it succeeds, and expect success? Sounds like a pretty ill-advised strategy if you ask me.

Look, I have gone on record saying that I want Scott Pioli to be the next GM of the Browns, understanding all the way that he very well might tap Kirk Ferentz to be the head coach. So my endorsement of Pioli and my criticism of the idea of Ferentz-to-the-Browns certainly seems contradictory, even to me. And if a Pioli-Ferentz combination is what we get, Kirk Ferentz will certainly have my support as I take a leap of faith that Scott Pioli knows much more about what he is doing than I do.

But boy would I be skeptical and a little nervous.

NFL teams keep trying to make college coaches into NFL coaches, and it keeps failing. Perhaps Kirk Ferentz is different though. Nick Saban and Butch Davis, for instance, failed because they were control freaks whose coaching style is much more suiting to dominating college boys that working with and motivating professional men in the NFL. They also tried to handle personnel responsibilities as well. Kirk Ferentz obviously would just be coaching, while Scott Pioli would be handling GM/personnel duties. So that right there is one advantage over some of the other college-coach-to-NFL scenarios we’ve seen in the past. And Kirk Ferentz does, at least, have some NFL experience having coached with the Browns and Ravens.

Can you tell that I am trying to talk myself into a potential Kirk Ferentz era of Browns football?

I suppose I could be wasting my time. I have heard no rumor of Kirk Ferentz to the Browns that does not involved Scott Pioli being named the GM. And there is a very real possibility that I could post this and immediately find out thaKirk Ferentz Could Be the Next Head Coach of the Browns if Scott Pioli is GMt Scott Pioli has said no — rendering this post useless and making me want to bang my head against the wall for wasting my time, at least from a Browns perspective.

But I still think that Scott Pioli will end up in Cleveland. And after reading the post on CFT about Ferentz’s statements, it sure as hell sounds like he would be interested if Scott Pioli came calling. So as a Browns fan, I feel it is only prudent to prepare myself for an outcome that goes against my own personal philosophy for how to build an NFL winner — never choose a college coach for an NFL team.

Luckily, my #1 philosophy for building an NFL winner is to have a proven winner in place at the top, and trust him to make sound decisions. Scott Pioli is as proven a winner as there is available to the Browns right now for GM, and obviously has infinitely more qualifications than I do to choose a head coach. So I trust that if he is the Browns GM, he will make the right choice.

Even if it is…*gulp*…Kirk Ferentz.

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