May 27,2010-Berea, Ohio
Browns Player Quotes 5-27-10
(Cribbs, Davis, Haden, Hardesty, Mack, Massaquoi, Robiskie)
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May 27,2010-Berea, Ohio
(Cribbs, Davis, Haden, Hardesty, Mack, Massaquoi, Robiskie)
Over the course of the last week, I have had the pleasure of engaging in a Browns preseason Q&A with Barry McBride of the Orange & Brown Report. You can stay current with Barry’s latest updates on the OBR blog. As I listen to the third preseason game (Titans up 7-0 right now, Brady Quinn started) I will post the answers below for your viewing pleasure.
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Q: I heard Gil Brandt on Sirius say that the reason the Browns have not announced their QB yet is because they are trying to trade Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson and do not want to hurt the trade value for either. Is there any truth to this, based on what you know? And how do you see the QB situation shaking out?
Barry McBride: Gil Brandt is obviously a great football mind and still well-connected in NFL circles. This isn’t a new thought, however. It’s something we’ve discussed on the OBR ever since Eric Mangini announced that there would be a quarterback competition back in March during the scouting combines.
At the time, there was a lot of speculation that the Browns would deal either Quinn or Anderson for draft picks, and it made no sense to reduce the trade value of either by declaring one of them to be the team’s backup. It’s certainly possible that one or the other will still be dealt, and that this is why Mangini is waiting, although there isn’t anything visibly percolating at the moment.
Another way to look at it is that neither quarterback has stepped up and grabbed the job by the throat. The Browns hoped that either Quinn or DA would make it a non-issue by their performance this Summer, but both quarterbacks continue to demonstrate their respective strengths and weaknesses as expected. Neither has really stepped their game up to the point where the job was clearly won, although Quinn still seems to have the edge.
One other thing to keep in mind is that Eric Mangini’s penchant for secrecy dates back to his time as a defensive coordinator working for Bill Belichick. He has said that one of the toughest things for him to overcome as a defensive coordinator is not knowing which quarterback he will be facing in the coming weeks. He may simply be holding off declaring a winner to make it harder for the Vikings to plan for the season opener.
Q: One of my thoughts regarding DA and Brady is that while Brady should, theoretically, be less prone to the boneheaded mistakes we’ve become accustomed to with Derek, having Derek as the starter would be better for Braylon. And with the Browns devoid of proven playmakers on offense, putting Braylon in the best position to succeed may be the best move for us offensively. Do you agree?
Barry McBride:Â I like how you’re thinking, but I’m not sure I’m fully on board.
The first thought that springs to mind is that the biggest challenge to Braylon Edwards’ success since 2007 has typically been Braylon himself. While undeniably talented, Edwards seems to suffer from lapses in focus that aren’t dependent on who is quarterbacking. He has memorable dropped touchdown passes that have been delivered to him from both Quinn and Anderson in the past, as recently as the first preseason game against the Packers when Quinn hit him in the back of the end zone.
If anything, Quinn’s softer touch with the football might help Edwards hold onto the ball somewhat, although Anderson’s ability to stretch the field obviously makes Edwards a threat on every play, as does Anderson’s sometimes stubborn desire to focus on getting the ball to him even when dealing with double or triple-coverage.
One other factor that suggests that Quinn might ultimately help Edwards is that it’s critical for the Browns to have credible #2 and #3 receiving threats, and a credible threat of runners catching passes out of the backfield as well. Anderson has a tendency to continually attempt to feed the ball to Edwards (and Winslow in past years), and Quinn’s tendency to go through his progressions quickly might force opponents to take the Browns’ other receivers far more seriously and help reduce the amount of attention that Edwards gets from opponents.
I suspect that we’ll ultimately really only know how Edwards would fare under a full season with Quinn at QB is to give that option a chance, and see how he does.
(As I am posting this, Phil Dawson just kicked a field goal. Browns close the gap to 7-3.)
Q: As a fan who is 1,000 miles away from the action, I can only look at stats and quotes in the paper to make a judgment. With QBs though, leadership, intangibles, huddle command, etc., are so important. Between Derek and Brady, who seems to have more respect from their teammates? Who “commands†the team better? Or have they not separated themselves in this regard either?
Barry McBride:Â I would give the edge here to Quinn as well, based on what I’ve heard through OBR reporters like Lane Adkins and Fred Greetham.
With some strong personalities on the Browns (as with every team), it’s critical that there not be a question about who is in charge in the huddle. As we’ve been told by players themselves, there’s no question when Quinn is on the field that he’s running the show. Although it’s never been said outright by his teammates, by extension, one can infer that Anderson may be somewhat less of a take-charge guy. I have to add, however, that Lane Adkins has relayed this year that Anderson’s approach in that department has taken a step up. He has a little more of a swagger about him than in past years.
Full disclosure: Someone reading the last two answers may conclude that I’ve got my mind made up about who I think would serve the Browns better in the long run. To that, I have to say, “guilty as charged”.
I was an advocate of drafting Quinn, have advocated giving him opportunities faster, and have been skeptical about Anderson ever since we got our first prolonged exposure to him during 2007 training camp. He’s clearly got tremendous athletic ability and potential that makes offensive coordinators salivate, but I admit that I still see the same quarterback from Oregon State highlight films: rocket arm, sprays the ball all over the field, and has a very high dependence on getting good protection and having receivers who will out-muscle defenders for the ball. That all came together to support him in 2007, and he was a Pro Bowler. It didn’t happen in 2008, and I don’t see it happening in 2009, either. On a team that has those attributes around him, Anderson could be very successful, but the Browns just aren’t there.
Q: Okay, well that about wraps things up. Wait…oh…there are 21 other starting positions on the Browns this year? Who knew?
What is the status of the contract talks with Josh Cribbs? When I watched the Detroit preseason game, it reminded me that we do, in fact, have a gamebreaker other than Dropsie Edwards. To me, especially with his improvement as a WR, Cribbs’ contract demands are not in any way outlandish. Are Mangini and Kokinis just playing a cat-and-mouse game with Cribbs and planning to sign him, or do you think they just are not convinced yet that he is worth more than he is making?
Barry McBride:Â Cribbs has agreed to come in, practice, and play despite lack of visible progress being made on his contract. Obviously, he’s a key component of the Browns special teams, but the team itself claims to be mystified as to how to price a return man (and obviously is not wanting to give Cribbs the same money that the Bears laid out for Devin Hester). The Browns are also, like most NFL teams, reluctant to tear up a contract with two years left. Although it should be noted that this reluctance rarely is in evidence when players are under-performing rather than out-performing their deals.
As luck would have it, the preseason has given Cribbs a chance to make a serious push for the #2 WR role which, if he wins it, bails both him and the team out by providing some more guidance about where Cribbs’ price should be, as well as a stronger rationalization for doing so. The Cribbs saga has yet to play out, but has already been marked by some of the worst mainstream media reporting I’ve ever seen, as both local and national media elements carve headlines out of virtually nothing more than having their previous assumptions about Cribbs’ intentions proven wrong.
Q: There have been rumblings recently that James Davis could start sneaking his way into more first team action. How patient will Mangini be with Jamal Lewis if Jamal continues to be slow to the hole and sports a 3.5-3.8 yard per carry average? And how does Jerome Harrison fit into this equation? Mangini seemed committed to getting Harrison the ball based on comments from early training camp, but Davis appears to have passed him over the last week. When will Jerome get back on the field and how do you see the attempts being split up between he and the rook?
Barry McBride:Â I don’t see Davis and Harrison as being much in conflict since they’re different types of backs. Harrison, although he gets more yards after contact than I would have expected, still primarily fits the mold of an NFL third-down back, whereas Davis is more of a between-the-tackles runner, like Jamal Lewis. I see Davis as spelling Lewis, with Harrison appearing more in third down situations. What Davis’ emergence means to Harrison is that he’s less likely to get opportunities to serve as an every down back, although I considered that to be somewhat questionable in any event.
If the interior of the Browns offensive line can’t hold holes open for longer than they have in the preseason, Lewis’ opportunities will go down, since Davis is quicker to the hole. This won’t make Lewis happy, as he still seems to firmly believe he’s most effective with 20-25 carries per game. While statistics bear that out for his career as a whole, it’s a dubious notion at this point.
Q: Real quick before we move to defense, what can Browns fans expect from the offensive line this year? Obviously Joe Thomas is an anchor on the left side, but will this year’s line be closer in performance to the 2007 unit or last year’s sieve?
Barry McBride:Â I wouldn’t expect 2007-level performance, simply because I don’t believe that Pork Chop Womack can perform at the same level that Ryan Tucker did during that year. We found out in 2008 how critical Tucker was to that unit and to helping out the undersized Hank Fraley and new right tackle Kevin Shaffer. It’s no coincidence, in my view, that the team’s best performance last year came in the one game where Tucker appeared. He has been on and off the practice field all preseason, and I don’t anticipate that he’ll be able to help take the right side of the Browns line up to the next level. Womack and John St. Clair have been steady and professional, although St. Clair has shown in the preseason a tendency towards ill-timed penalties.
Alex Mack has a very good shot of displacing Hank Fraley at center, but we’ve already seen him dealing with the rough NFL learning curve. In the AFC North, he’ll have to contend with some of the best nose tackles in the league. Expect mistakes to be made as Mack adjusts to the NFL.
Q: Braylon Edwards is the only “sure thing” in the receiving corps (except when wide open passes come his way, of course). How have the rookies looked? And is Mike Furrey (only a few years removed from a really good season in Detroit) an under-the-radar acquisition to could have 50-, 60-catch impact and play a QB-friendly role like what Joe Jurevicius was in ’07?
Barry McBride:Â Furrey looks like a very good third receiver so far, which the team has missed ever since Dennis Northcutt went on his way. It’s doubtful that he could equate to what Jurevicius did (since Furrey will be out of the slot, and JJ was a #2 WR, in any event). It looks like he might be a smart fantasy football pickup late in the draft based on his performance so far in the preseason. He will probably get 30-40 catches from what I’ve seen so far.
Brian Robiskie has been a little bit disappointing since being hyped as a pro-ready NFL receiver, but such hype rarely proves true. Both he and Massaqoui are dealing with the usual struggles you see receivers suffer in their rookie season. At this point, Massaquoi may be higher on the depth chart based on his performance to date. He has looked very solid both in practice and games and should be in line for some playing time as the season begins.
Q: We know that everything defensively revolves around Shaun Rogers, with D’Qwell Jackson providing steady performance at LB, but it seems to me that for the Browns to to improve defensively, two things need to happen: Kamerion Wimbley needs to get to 11-12 sacks and fulfill the potential he showed as a rookie, and the Eric Wright-Brandon McDonald combo needs to become more consistent. Do you agree? And is there anything inherent in the new system/coaching staff that should help these players improve this seson?
Barry McBride:Â The Browns really needed to improve their game up the middle, and adding Eric Barton alongside D’Qwell Jackson seems to be a terrific move so far. Rod Hood has given Brandon McDonald a little push, but the team’s early scouting of corners for next year’s college draft convinces me that neither may be seen as the long-term answer there. A bigger question at this point is at safety, where the team has little depth behind starter Brodney Pool, whose ability to play is in question following last week’s game. Pool has a concussion history and the team has not revealed why he appeared to woozily walk off the field. If Pool is not available, the Browns defense will suffer.
Wimbley has a chance to perform better this year for a couple of reasons. The first is that the team has improved their consistency and depth in the defensive line, with C.J. Mosely providing a solid addition, and Wimbley needs that in order to have a lane to the quarterback. Secondly, the coaching staff has shown much more enthusiasm for moving Wimbley around from right to left, which is something Romeo Crennel rarely did. By making Wimbley’s position on the field less predictable, he has the possibility for greater success. It will ultimately be up to him to take advantage of his role in this defense.
Q: The NFL is notorious for having teams go from worst-to-first. In the AFC North, Pittsburgh is the defending Super Bowl champ, Cincinnati is starting to become a popular darkhorse candidate for improvement with Carson Palmer back, and though they seem to be terrible every other season and lost Rex Ryan, Baltimore is still Baltimore. Put on your optimists hat (if you can): why is not an outlandish idea for Browns fans to dream of an AFC North title? (Or is there simply no reason to do so?)
Barry McBride:Â It’s always possible, as long as meteors and comets are around that could possibly smash into Pittsburgh or Baltimore while their respective teams are practicing. Or, better yet, when the two face off in the same stadium.
Outside of that, it’s going to be a rough road for a Browns team that still needs to show that it can get consistent performance on offense and stop the run effectively on defense. Three possibly optimistic signs: (1) This team did go 10-6 just a couple of years ago, so there’s more talent than is obvious from last year’s 4-12 record; (2) Barring the loss of Pool. they could always get lucky with injuries, which is always the great unknown going into every season; and, (3) Mangini did manage to turn the Jets around during his first year as head coach.
An 8-8 season is not totally unreasonable, but I still believe that the team has a significant uphill battle ahead of them. They face six tough games within the division, and will have to have a large number of things go right for them in order to make noise in the AFC North.
Thanks for the great questions!!
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* – Brady Quinn / Derek Anderson photo credit: Getty via FanNation
I’ve posted consistent updates of the Browns 2009 draft, but let’s pull it all together into one post with one final grade.
Now that the 6th round picks are in, here is the complete 2009 draft class for the Cleveland Browns:
Last night I analyzed the Browns’ first day draft picks and gave them a B+. Click that link for a detailed analysis.
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I thought the Browns had a very solid strategy going in to acquire more picks, and they were successful in sticking with that strategy. They were also successful in filling specific needs with each draft pick. Each of their first three picks is a player drafted based on production more than potential, meaning they can step in right away and compete for playing time. In Alex Mack, Brian Robiskie, and Mohamed Massaquoi, we are looking at three guys who could play a significant amount in 2009. David Veikune is a versatile player who may not be an every-down starter, but can play situationally and on special teams.
Each one of the players received from the Jets fills a specific need as well. Ratliff can be the 3rd string QB, Elam provides experienced depth at safety, and Kenyon Coleman can be in the rotation along the front of the defense. Most importantly, they are experienced in Eric Mangini’s system and obviously have the character traits that he and George Kokinis have been specifically looking for.
On the draft’s second day, the Browns continued to find solid players who fill specific needs.
In Kaluka Maiava the Browns found an undersized linebacker, but one who has the intelligence and instincts they covet. If he ever plays with D’Qwell Jackson, the Browns could have the shortest linebacking corps in the NFL, but Maiava will be a special teams contributor and have a chance to contribute in certain defensive packages. Looking at the guys picked after Maiava, no one jumps out at me as someone we should have picked over him.
In the 6th round I thought the Browns did an excellent job of acquiring value at positions of need. We all know that the Browns are weak in the secondary. They were able to pick up the #11 and #23 rated CBs (according to Scouts Inc.) with two of their 6th round picks. While neither may be good enough to unseat Eric Wright or Brandon McDonald, perhaps the most inconsistent duo of corners in the league, they should make the Browns more effective in nickel and dime situations, where Terry Cousin was a touchdown waiting to happen last year.
In RB James Davis the Browns picked up the kind of late-round running back that we often see become a very productive NFL player. Davis was very productive in college but fell because of injury concerns and because he is more of a one-dimensional two-down back. He caught 19 passes as a freshman, which was high water mark as a pass catcher, but his production can be seen in his 47 career touchdowns. That is no small number, and he did it over a consistent 4-year body of work. He could step right in and be a 5-10 carry guy spelling the aging Jamal Lewis. And if anything happens to Jamal, Davis at least has shown over four years that he is capable of being a productive back. I like this pick a lot based on the round and Davis’ productive history.
Overall, I think it would have been hard for the Browns to come out of Day 2 significantly improving upon an already solid grade of B+. But they also did nothing to knock that grade down in my eyes. What keeps them from getting a A is the lack of a true impact talent with significant upside, but I’m not sure that was necessarily their aim heading into this weekend. ManKok seemed pretty intent on drafting solid, low-risk players who can be foundational pieces of a two-year rebuilding project while acquiring volume as opposed to giving up picks to target specific players. They executed this strategy very well.
So while nothing about their 2009 draft class jumps out at you as spectacular, the Browns drafted a solid, productive player who fits a need with every pick. In my years following the Browns I have certainly seen many draft classes that do not measure up to this one, at least upon immediate post-draft analysis. We have no idea how strong this draft class truly is until we see it translate into on-field production, but overall I’m not sure how any Browns could exit draft weekend with anything other than a very positive feeling.
Final Grade for Browns 2009 Draft Class: B+
What do you think?
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The first day whirlwind has ended. When all was was said and done the Browns traded back three times before making their first pick and ended up with 7 new players. Here is the timeline of what transpired:

The Browns still have the following picks remaining tomorrow in Day 2 of the 2009 NFL Draft:
Time for some analysis.
Analysis of Overall Draft Mindset
I like what the Browns did in trading back to acquire more picks. This morning I wrote out my dream scenario for the Browns, and while today certainly did not play out exactly like I described, the general idea of trading back to maximize quantity and value was there. Despite finishing the 2007 season on the doorstep of the playoffs, the Browns enter 2009 in a complete rebuilding phase after everything collapsed last season. There was not one player the Browns felt they could get at #5 that was worth the money and/or that was a better value than guys they could get later in the draft for less money and with more picks added to the overall total.
So while the Browns do not walk away from Day 1 with an “exciting” player like Michael Crabtree or Aaron Curry, they do have four solid, high-character rookies, three guys who know Eric Mangini’s system, and four more picks tomorrow. I personally would have liked to see the Browns find a way to get a running back, but that is one position where draft history has proven that value can be had in later rounds.
Final Analysis: Very Positive
Analysis of Players Received in Trade with Jets
Continuity is always a big question mark when a new regime takes over. One thing that Eric Mangini and George Kokinis appear committed to is bringing in guys who are familiar with the style of football and mindset that will be installed for 2009 and beyond. A number of the Browns offseason acquisitions are former Jets with ties to Mangini, guys who will instantly provide a sense of continuity having played in the system previously. And while none of the guys we got from the Jets today is necessarily a difference maker, they all fill specific needs.
Considering that I would have pretty much been happy just getting the #17 and #57 picks for the #5, I can’t be anything but positive about these three players. I don’t know how many of these former Jets are building blocks for the long-term, but they are solid players who will help make the transition to Manginiball more smooth for the entire organization.
Final Analysis: Who knows, but generally positive
Now let’s analyze the draft picks.
Analysis of Browns Pick at #21 – C Alex Mack, Cal
Just look at my post when the pick was announced and you’ll see the oscillation I went through mentally as I processed the pick. I will admit that I was excited about the possibility of picking Beanie Wells at #21, and when we picked a player at the least exciting position on the field, well, it just felt like a letdown. I am still not completely solid that the Browns made the best use of their only first round pick, but I’m coming around somewhat.
Not that they are the official experts, but Scouts Inc. had Alex Mack rated as the #1 center and the #39 overall player. On the one hand, I would have liked to see the Browns get a skill position player here. After suffering through so many boring games last year, I was hoping for a name that would instantly get me excited. Picking Beanie Wells certainly would have gotten me excited.
However, maybe we should get excited about Alex Mack. He is the #1 player at his position in the draft at a position of need for the Browns. And lost in the hubbub over Braylon, K2, and the QBs sucking last year was the fact that our offensive line wasn’t nearly as good as it was in 2007 either. Alex Mack comes in with very few question marks, certainly no character concerns, and potentially starts from Day One.
Beanie Wells, meanwhile, dropped all the way to #31, presumably because many teams are worried about his injury issues.
The Browns moved back, and moved back, and moved back again because they knew they could get the guy they wanted at #21. Well, they got him. And while he won’t whip Ohio fans into a frenzy of excitement like Beanie Wells would have, he is probably the better and more valuable pick. Good teams usually have good centers (look at Jeff Saturday in Indianapolis for an example) and assuming the scouting reports on Mack are correct, the Browns should be set at center for the next decade.
Final Analysis: Not exciting, not franchise altering, but a safe and solid first round selection
Analysis of Browns Picks #36 and #50: WRs Brian Robiskie, Ohio State and Mohamed Massaquoi, Georgia
I am lumping these guys together because I am just so excited about their arrival in Cleveland. If you had told me before today started that the Browns would get Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi and they would still have a first round pick and another second round pick in addition, I would have taken it. Why? Both of these guys are safe, productive picks at legitimate areas of need for the Browns.
After Braylon Edwards, there is literally no one for Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson to throw to (no offense Syndric Steptoe). And we don’t even know if Braylon will be suiting up for the Browns next year. With K2, Stallworth, and Jurevicius gone, the Browns clearly needed an influx of pass-catching talent. Most importantly, they needed talented receivers without the ego baggage that they are already dealing with in Braylon.
“But the Browns could have taken Michael Crabtree at #5 and gotten the best WR in the draft,” the detractors will say. To which I say the following:
Player A is Michael Crabtree. Player B is Brian Robiskie. Pretty comparable huh? Throw in the fact that Crabtree played in a pass happy offense with a veteran quarterback while Robiskie played Tresselball with various QBs, including freshman Terrelle Pryor this year, and Robiskie’s rate is even more impressive.
All things being equal, I think Crabtree is a better player. But Crabtree at #5 or Robiskie at #36? Give me Robiskie.
And then you add Massaquoi, a guy who people started to like more and more as the draft drew closer. He is just a solid, productive football player (noticing a theme?). He played all four years he was at Georgia, never catching fewer than 30 balls in a season. As a senior this past season, three of his biggest games of the year were against Tennessee (and all-SEC DB Eric Berry), Florida, and the rivalry game against Georgia Tech. So he came to play in some of the team’s bigger moments.
There were some more “talented” WRs in this draft than Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, but there were very few, if any, with as few question marks about their ability to be productive, above average NFL WRs. With the Browns’ dire need for pass catchers, I fully support taking these two guys in the second round to maximize value and minimize risk. And if Braylon is on the team next year and comes to camp motivated to play for a new contract, Brian Robiskie, Mohamed Massaquoi and Braylon Edwards could form a pretty good WR corps by seasons end.
And if Braylon leaves, we still have two reliable WRs to build around.
Final Analysis: Tremendously excited and very supportive of both picks
Analysis of Browns Pick #52: DE David Veikune, Hawaii
I was pulling for LeSean McCoy here, but I can see the logic of this pick. With the Browns not drafting again until round 4, they risked not getting a solid defensive player in the first 3 rounds. David Veikune has very good athletic ability and though Scouts Inc. listed him as a defensive end, he can play both inside and outside for the Browns. He will also mostly likely be a solid special teams player as a rookie.
I could ramble on about him, but the truth is that I know nothing about him. It seems like a reasonable pick to me, and he certainly is athletic. Without having seem him play or having read anything about him before today, I’d just be speculating.
Final Analysis: Sounds good to me, but we’ll see
Final Analysis of Browns 2009 NFL Draft First Day
I am intrigued and encouraged. I like the mindset and I love the addition of the two WRs. I don’t think Browns fans walk away from today believing that now we can win the AFC North, or anything like that. But I do think we can walk away from today saying that we added 7 solid football players to our team, plus a few picks tomorrow that increase roster depth. As the Browns attempt to build a 53-man roster worthy of competing on a year-in, year-out basis, it’s important to walk away from draft day thinking this way. I don’t know about you, but I do.
Final Analysis: No home run picks, and jerseys to run out and buy, but it’s not every day that your team adds 7 guys with a chance to be on the final roster. A solid, focused, strategic effort. B+.
The 2009 NFL Draft is set to start in a little over 5 hours as I begin writing this. Matthew Stafford has already been declared the #1 pick by the Detroit Lions, meaning the St. Louis Rams are now on the clock trying to decide betw
een LTs Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith (or Mark Sanchez…really?) After the Rams make their choice, the Chiefs and Seahawks will be on the clock, followed by the Cleveland Browns.
With little new information emerging this morning regarding the Browns’ Saturday plans (not that any emerging information out of Berea would be believable anyway) there is only one thing left to do: try to predict what will actually happen today. And instead of telling you what I think will happen, I’m going to give you my own personal pie-in-the-sky dream scenario of what I’d like to see happen.
There are so many variables and trade possibilities out there, plus what seems to me like such a jumbled first round draft board, that trying to actually predict what will happen with any semblance of clarity seems pretty futile to me. I can certainly tell you what I hope happens, however.
First, let me link you to a couple of articles that have formed the basis for trades I’d like to see happen.
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This morning, Mary-Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer provided her own collection of thoughts about the 2009 draft, the first of which I found myself agreeing with wholeheartedly:
The Browns should trade Braylon Edwards, even if they can only get a No. 2, No. 5 and a young prospect such as Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham from the Giants. If they can secure the Giants’ first pick in the second round — the 45th overall — they’d have four picks in the top 50 and could transform the team with those players. At No. 45, they’d probably still be able to land a top-notch receiver or another immediate starter. Edwards needs a change of scenery and he’s heading into the final year of his deal. The Browns might as well get something for him while they can.
~ Four Things Mary Kay Cabot thinks about the NFL draft — (Cleveland Plain-Dealer)
I am not particularly enamored with either Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham; I don’t think anyone is. However, seeing as how Manningham is a Michigan grad, only 5’11, and totaled a whopping 4 receptions as a rookie, while Hixon is from Akron, stands 6’2, has four years of NFL experience, and had 43 receptions last year, I think Hixon would be the more preferable of the two.
The real value, of course, would be the draft picks. And let me mention this: while I think it is conceivable for the Browns to be good in 2009 (this is the NFL after all, where miraculous turnarounds are a yearly occurrence), I think they should use 2009 as a year to rebuild with 2010 being the target for
truly competing. Any significant success next year will be considered gravy in my mind; I want to see progress. I see too many holes on this team to expect a playoff run next year. But with an influx of good, young, cost-efficient talent, the Browns can become very competitive in 2010…I think.
Back to the Edwards deal. No, such a deal would not give the Browns another 1st rounder, but this appears to be a draft with a lot of value in the second round. Not only can you get good players, but for a much better price than if you pick them in the first round. For a team like the Browns, which is essentially remaking its roster, the 2nd and 3rd rounds are where you want to stockpile picks. (And the Browns do not have a 3rd-rounder this year.)
Need more convincing? The New England Patriots have the 23rd, 34th, 47th, and 58th picks this weekend. They have a pretty good track record of rebuilding through the draft. I’d be quite comfortable following such a model.
Dream Scenario #1: The Browns complete a trade with the Giants sending Braylon Edwards to New York for the Giants’ 2nd (#45) and 5th round picks, plus Domenik Hixon.
Next up, let’s discuss what the Browns should do with their #5 pick in the first round. Projections have been all over the board. I’ve seen mock drafts giving the Browns each of the following players: Michael Crabtree, BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Brian Orakpo, Mark Sanchez, and others. What this tells me is that there is no absolute, perfect fit for the Browns at #5, and that there is little separating the top 10 picks from one another. Why then would you want to take someone there and pay him #5 money if you are not completely convinced the guy will be a great fit for your football team? I suppose you could argue that each guy would fill a specific need and that the Browns would have their choice among many great options at #5; I just don’t see that being more advantageous than trading back.
If there was a player at #5 that I personally thought could come in and make the Browns a playoff contender next season, or who is extremely likely be a future superstar, I’d be all for holding the #5 pick and taking him. I don’t believe that to be the case, so I am hoping to see the Browns trade out of the #5 slot.
But to whom?
Depending on who falls to #5, the Browns could have a variety of teams interested in moving up. The best case scenario for the Browns is to have Mark Sanchez sitting there, as teams are always willing to pay more to get a QB they covet. One of the teams most widely rumored to be considering a trade up for Sanchez is the Denver Broncos.
As with all rumors this time of year, there is information out there on both sides. I’ve seen it reported that the Broncos want to package their two No. 1′s (picks 12 and 18) for a move up to draft Sanchez. I’ve also seen it reported that it’s all a ruse and the Broncos just want other teams to think that they want Sanchez.
I do know this: I do not want to see the Browns trade Brady Quinn and draft Mark Sanchez as the “quarterback of the future.” First, I don’t think Quinn has really gotten a chance to show what he can do, and we already traded picks to make him our first round selection a couple years ago. Plus, we have Derek Anderson, who at least has successful NFL starting experience in his past.
Second, I am not the least bit sold on Mark Sanchez as a future franchise QB, mainly because he’s an underclassmen going pro early with only 16 career starts. There is no way this guy will be ready to lead an NFL team for 2-3 years at the earliest, and there is simply too much unknown about him with only 16 games of tape to watch.
All that being said, why not split the difference with the Broncos if they do want to draft Sanchez. Take their #12 pick plus their 2nd rounder (#48) and give them the #5. This still gives them two 1st round picks, but the Browns get to move down into a more manageable draft slot from a contract perspective, they can still get a very good player with their first pick, and they add another mid-round selection in the value-rich 2nd round.
I don’t know what the infamous “draft value chart” would say about this trade, but I don’t care. The Browns need a lot of good, young players to build around. I’d rather increase my odds of improving the roster with two of the best 48 players in the draft as opposed to one of the top 5, especially when there seems to be so much debate over who the five best players really are in this year’s draft.
Dream Scenario #2: The Browns trade their #5 pick in the 1st round to the Broncos for Denver’s #12 pick and #48 pick.
Okay, let’s assess the damage here. If my two dream scenarios above were to come to fruition, here are the first-day picks the Browns would have (in addition to adding Domenik Hixon and a 5th rounder from the Giants):
Contrast that with what they have right now:
I don’t know about you, but I like the first scenario a lot more.
So, who could the four first-day picks turn into? Here is what I personally would love to see happen; and remember, this is a dream scenario, so while I’m trying to be realistic, forgive me if this sounds a bit hopeful:
#12 pick: Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
With the draft seemingly devoid of CB depth, and the other CBs likely to be gone by the 36th selection, I like the value here. There are questions about Jenkins’ speed and whether or not he’d have to move to safety, but at the end of the day he’s a playmaker. The Browns need playmakers and smart football players in the secondary. Plus, while many Ohio State linebackers have underperformed expectations at the NFL level, many Ohio State defensive backs drafted in the first round have done well (Antonio Winfield, Nate Clements, Chris Gamble).
Wherever he ends up playing, CB or S, Malcolm Jenkins is a good, solid football player with the instincts to someday be great. It would be nice if Brian Orakpo fell here, but most mock drafts do not have him getting past the Bills at #11. Other options could include Beanie Wells, Brian Cushing, or pash-rushing ends like Robert Ayers and Aaron Maybin.
I say swapping the Wolverine Edwards with the Buckeye Jenkins improves the defense and gives Browns fans something to get excited about; but most importantly, they get a player good enough to step in, fill a void in the secondary, and play from Day One.
#36 pick: Paul Kruger, OLB, Utah
To be honest, this is hardest pick to predict. So much will depend on who the Browns draft in Round 1 and who unexpectedly falls to the second round.
Paul Kruger is who Todd McShay has the Browns picking at #36 in his mock draft, and I don’t see why not. The Browns need young but mature linebackers to team up with the solid D’Qwell Jackson, and Kruger seems like a solid fit. He is big (6’4, 263 pounds) and described in his Scouts Inc. profile as “a person of very good character. A hard worker and leader by example.” Kruger will be a 23-year old rookie as he served a two-year mission in 2005 and 2006.
I’m not sure this is necessarily a “sexy” pick that will have Browns fans yelping with excitement, but it does seem like a very solid pick and Kruger appears to be the type of hard-nosed, high-character, smart guy the Browns would want to rebuild build around.
I could see the Browns going in another direction and trying to pick a DB here if they don’t trade back and get Jenkins in Round 1. If they do get Jenkins, obviously I doubt they’d pick another DB. Other potential options here include DE Larry English, OLB James Laurinaitis, DT Evander Hood, or C Alex Mack, but again, it all depends on who falls.
#45 pick: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
I said this is a dream scenario, right?
What could be more of a dream for Browns fans like our very own Ryan Russell than getting rid of Braylon Edwards and bringing in two Buckeyes. I didn’t necessarily set out to have it happen this way, but Jenkins and Robiskie both appear to be solid values at their respective slots who fill specific needs for the Browns.
Robiskie is just a good, solid football player. I don’t know if he will ever be a Pro Bowl WR, but I think he can be a good to very good NFL wide receiver for 10-12 years.
With the Browns not having Braylon Edwards (in this scenario), Kellen Winslow, Joe Jurevicius, or (probably) Donte Stallworth, they obviously need a WR. Most likely, guys like Kenny Britt, Hakeen Nicks, and Percy Harvin will not be available at #36, which is fine with me. I’ve read various reports of red flags about each (ego with Britt, curious weight gains and losses with Nicks, and the infamous failed Combine drug test story, and others, about Harvin). Who knows how much stock to put into what could be disinformation, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.
With Robiskie, the son of longtime NFL coach Terry Robiskie, all you read about is his professionalism and production. That’s what the Browns need to build around. I can’t imagine a safer pick that fits more perfectly in terms of need than Brian Robiskie at #45. Another option here could be Mohamed Massaquoi from Georiga, who is rapidly rising up draft boards. I personally doubt he’ll be here with this pick, and besides, ew might as well pick the Buckeye, right?
#48 pick: LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
Jamal Lewis ‘aint getting any younger, and Jerome Harrison is much better suited as a third down, change of pace type back than an everydown runner. Getting LeSean McCoy in the 2nd round, I think, would be a great value for the Browns and fill a specific need of an everydown back who can team with Jamal Lewis this year and then ultimately become the #1 ball carrier for the Browns.
McCoy appears to have no characters red flags, has good speed, and was incredibly productive during his two seasons at Pitt. In addition, having only taken two seasons of collegiate pounding, he should, in theory at least, have a little more tread on his tires than some other backs who played 3 or 4 years in college. Other options here could include SS Patrick Chung or DE Michael Johnson, all depending on how the picks fall.
It is obviously hard to know who will be available at the later round picks. Depending on who falls out of the first round, there could certainly be a better pick than Paul Kruger at #36. But trading back to get Malcolm Jenkins, and then landing Robiskie and McCoy later in Round 2 would, in my opinion, be a great first day haul for the Browns. Each guy is a potential contributor as soon as this season, and each guy is a solid building block for the future. At the end of the day, the Browns couldn’t ask for much more coming out of today.
Again, lets do a quick comparison. First, the results of my dream scenario, and then the results of the Browns standing pat and picking where they are currently slotted:
My dream draft scenario for the Browns:
Likely scenario if the Browns stand pat:
For me, the first scenario seems to set the Browns up better for long-term success, although perhaps not as well for 2009. But I think the organization would be much better served by taking a long-term approach as opposed to throwing all their eggs in the 2009 basket. We threw all of our eggs into the the 2008 basket and it got us a 4-12 season, no 3rd round pick this year, and has compelled us to have to think in terms of rebuilding.
Fine. But let’s rebuild the right way: with extra draft picks that result in solid players and a roster with both depth and talent.
I don’t know the chances of the above scenario actually happening – probably pretty slim – but I do think it presents the kind of thinking that, in my opinion at least, provides the most likely road map to the kind of sustained future success that the Browns have never had since returning to the NFL.
I’d love to get your thoughts/comments below. Now it’s time to sit back and see what actually happens.
I spent a good portion of this weekend watching the NFL Network’s coverage of the 2009 Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. I have read many positive reviews of the NFLN’s coverage, and I agree. They presented the workout portion of the combine in a manner that always kept the action moving forward, and I did not think that the talking heads were overbearing for the most part.
There was one annoying segment in which Jamie Dukes was discussing Andre Smith and jumping back and forth over the fence on whether Smith cost himself money with his bizarre antics (yes…no question). And apparently Dukes had one conversation with Andre Smith and in Dukes’ own mind this was the most influential conversation of Smith’s life. Get over yourself Jamie. Charles Davis and Steve Mariucci are a little annoying too, but nothing terrible. Something about Charles Davis seems overly haughty, and Mariucci just needs to settle down a bit.
Otherwise though, the Combine was very enjoyable to watch. And obviously the most exciting individual event to watch is the 40-yard dash. This is certainly not the most telling or predictive drill, but it is the “glamour” workout of the combine; and we are sure to hear players’ 40 times thrown around over and over again until the NFL Draft in April. So let’s get to it. Here are the top 40 times at each position, courtesy of NFL.com:
| Quarterbacks | 40 Time | Running Backs | 40 Time | Wide Receivers | 40 Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pat White | 4.55 | Cedric Peerman | 4.45 | Darrius Heyward-Bey | 4.30 |
| Stephen McGee | 4.66 | Ian Johnson | 4.46 | Mike Wallace | 4.33 |
| Matthew Stafford | 4.81 | Kory Sheets | 4.47 | Johnny Knox | 4.34 |
| Rhett Bomar | 4.82 | Andre Brown | 4.49 | Deon Butler | 4.38 |
| Jason Boltus | 4.83 | Donald Brown | 4.51 | Mike Thomas | 4.40 |
| Curtis Painter | 4.87 | Javarris Williams | 4.52 | Tiquan Underwood | 4.41 |
| John Parker Wilson | 4.87 | Mike Goodson | 4.54 | Percy Harvin | 4.41 |
| Drew Willy | 4.90 | Bernard Scott | 4.56 | Demetrius Byrd | 4.42 |
| Chase Daniel | 4.92 | Glen Coffee | 4.58 | Louis Murphy | 4.43 |
| Mike Reilly | 4.92 | Marlon Lucky | 4.59 | Kenny McKinley | 4.44 |
| Chris Wells | 4.59 | ||||
| Tight Ends | 40 Time | Offensive Lineman | 40 Time | Defensive Lineman | 40 Time |
| Jared Cook | 4.50 | Lydon Murtha | 4.89 | Lawrence Sidbury Jr. | 4.64 |
| Shawn Nelson | 4.56 | Jamon Meredith | 5.03 | Connor Barwin | 4.66 |
| Cameron Morrah | 4.66 | Xavier Fulton | 5.04 | Brian Orakpo | 4.70 |
| Cornelius Ingram | 4.68 | William Beatty | 5.12 | Everette Brown | 4.73 |
| Marquez Branson | 4.71 | Gerald Cadogan | 5.12 | Michael Johnson | 4.75 |
| David Johnson | 4.73 | Jonathan Luigs | 5.14 | Stryker Sulak | 4.77 |
| Jared Bronson | 4.76 | Joel Bell | 5.15 | Cody Brown | 4.84 |
| Kory Sperry | 4.77 | Eben Britton | 5.16 | Victor Butler | 4.84 |
| Brandon Walker | 5.17 | David Veikune | 4.87 | ||
| Jon Cooper | 5.18 | Jarron Gilbert | 4.87 | ||
| Jason Smith | 5.22 | ||||
| Linebackers | 40 Time | Cornerbacks | 40 Time | Safeties | 40 Time |
| Aaron Curry | 4.56 | Lardarius Webb | 4.46 | Chris Clemons | 4.41 |
| Stanley Arnoux | 4.61 | Vontae Davis | 4.49 | David Bruton | 4.46 |
| Gerald McRath | 4.61 | Brandon Hughes | 4.50 | C.J. Spillman | 4.50 |
| Clay Matthews | 4.67 | Christopher Owens | 4.51 | Chip Vaughn | 4.51 |
| Jason Phillips | 4.69 | Kevin Barnes | 4.52 | Sherrod Martin | 4.52 |
| Jasper Brinkley | 4.72 | ||||
| Brian Cushing | 4.74 | ||||
| Marcus Freeman | 4.74 | ||||
| Zack Follett | 4.75 | ||||
| Moise Fokou | 4.76 |
*Note: The Cornerbacks and Safeties had not yet run as of this posting, so I’ll add them later when the official numbers are posted.
And now, some quick-hit observations after reviewing the 40 times and from what I saw:
Why all the fuss about Mark Sanchez?
I’m not that sold on Matthew Stafford either, but Sanchez certainly did nothing to impress me. He is apparently slower than Curtis Painter (never a good thing) and it looked to me like Sanchez underthrew the deep balls. He did, however, reportedly perform very well in interviews. Still, the guy only started one year in college. I think any team who drafts him without the intention of letting him sit for at least a year, maybe two, is making a huge mistake.
What’s up with the speed, or lack thereof, from Nate Davis and Josh Freeman?
Maybe I just didn’t watch these two guys play enough this year, and perhaps I am showing a blatant expectation bias along racial lines, but I expected these two guys to run faster than Chase Daniel. Yet, neither Nate Davis nor Josh Freeman was in the top 10 40 Times for QBs. I always thought that these two guys were known as dual-threat QBs? I realize Nate Davis didn’t run a whole lot in college, but I still thought he was a little faster. Maybe if I was up more on my Ball State and Kansas State football this would not have surprised me so much.
Get ready for some fuss about Stephen McGee from Texas A&M.
One of my sleepers in this year’s draft. McGee is a really good athlete and a much better passer than he was ever able to show in college. Plus, he is a high character guy and is balding, which means he is mature. In all seriousness, I think whoever gets this guy will have one of the NFL’s best backups (a Jeff Hostetler-type) who could end up being a viable starter at some point in the future. Don’t scoff if your team drafts Stephen McGee. Good player.
Knowshon Moreno is that slow?
Another guy that I thought was faster. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he always look like a blur on the ESPN highlights? I thought this was a 4.4-4.45 guy. I guess not. He’s slower than Beanie Wells for goodness sakes!
Beanie Wells is a badass
I know that he only ran a 4.59 40 time, but guess what: that’s still faster than Emmitt Smith, who ended up having a decent career. Wells jumped well and is another guy who reportedly did well in interviews. His big question mark is staying healthy. If he does, he could carve out a career as the next Eddie George or Jerome Bettis.
The WRs were really fast…but who cares?
Everyone is going crazy about how fast the wide receivers are. That’s great, but can any of them catch or run routes? Jerry Rice famously ran a 4.6 40 and turned into the greatest receiver of all-time. We are routinely told that speed is nowhere near the most important aspect for a wide receiver; they just have to be fast enough. Obviously if two guys are equal in everything else, you want the fast guy. And having a speed threat to stretch defenses vertically helps, but I look at it as a luxury, not a necessity.
Brian Robiskie looked really good
It’s almost a cliche at this point, but I saw the same thing everyone else did: Brian Robiskie looks like an NFL receiver. He has great technique when he catches the ball, he runs precise routes, and his speed is good enough. This is a guy who can be a #2 receiver in the NFL for a long time.
I didn’t get to watch the other positions, so I can’t accurately assess how any of the guys looked. But feel free to chime in with comments about any players who impressed or disappointed you this week in Indianapolis.
And real quick before I go, here are some other resources if you are looking for info on the workout results of the 2009 NFL Scouting Combine:
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