Comments on: The Curious Case of Journalists Perpetuating “Pathetic” and “Ridiculous” Steroid Speculation http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/ A sports blog by and for Midwest Sports Fans Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Links For Thursday; Burrell, Smoltz, Wright http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8765 Links For Thursday; Burrell, Smoltz, Wright Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:05:48 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8765 [...] for the office this morning…  Jerrod Morris, the infamous Raul Ibanez blogger, makes a great point about what appears to be a fairly obvious double standard when it comes to journalists speculating [...] [...] for the office this morning…  Jerrod Morris, the infamous Raul Ibanez blogger, makes a great point about what appears to be a fairly obvious double standard when it comes to journalists speculating [...]

]]> By: Lee Yunker http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8763 Lee Yunker Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:31:15 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8763 I forgot to add this to my last comment. For all the crap you went through and the fan has had to shovel out of the way to get to the truth, this has had to improve the number of hits/views of your articles and for Midwest Sports Fan in general, right? Sticking to form, "Any press is good press". I forgot to add this to my last comment. For all the crap you went through and the fan has had to shovel out of the way to get to the truth, this has had to improve the number of hits/views of your articles and for Midwest Sports Fan in general, right? Sticking to form, “Any press is good press”.

]]> By: JRod http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8760 JRod Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:30:48 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8760 @James Kaplin, Amen. Thanks for the comment James. I obviously agree wholeheartedly. @James Kaplin, Amen. Thanks for the comment James. I obviously agree wholeheartedly.

]]> By: James Kaplin http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8755 James Kaplin Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:26:10 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8755 The Question I have for all of the self righteous journalist is why weren't they asking these questions 10 years ago. They all say that there was rumors and so on but we could not say anything. My questions is why couldn't you have asked the questions. If they sued you then the player would have to go through a deposition. I blame the lazy sycophant reporters for ignoring the story because the home run race sold more papers and air time. The reason why they are after you is because they would rather attack you and create a diversion from the truth which is they fell asleep at the wheel and baseball went over the cliff. Journalistic integrity seems to be only with Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada since they were they only journalist who went after the whole story. I blame the sports media for letting down the fans by not giving us the truth. If they would have been writing stories like the bloggers 10 years ago then maybe baseball would have done something sooner. The owners did not care, the union did not care and the journalist didn't care because they were all getting what they wanted. Baseball is a sport that is a chronicle of our American history were we have that unusual opportunity to measure generation after generation with a game that embodies the American philosophy. And believe it or not it was a bunch of politicos of Democrats and Republicans that had to ride in and save the day by making people come and testify. It is fascinating what kind of answers you get to questions if you just ask them but I guess journalistic integrity keeps sports reporters from asking questions now. I don't blog or live in someones basement but I know that those people who do have the right to ask these questions and if somebody is offended then sue the basement bloggers. It seems they are the only one who are willing to ask the questions. Now that to me is integrity. The Question I have for all of the self righteous journalist is why weren’t they asking these questions 10 years ago. They all say that there was rumors and so on but we could not say anything. My questions is why couldn’t you have asked the questions. If they sued you then the player would have to go through a deposition. I blame the lazy sycophant reporters for ignoring the story because the home run race sold more papers and air time. The reason why they are after you is because they would rather attack you and create a diversion from the truth which is they fell asleep at the wheel and baseball went over the cliff. Journalistic integrity seems to be only with Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada since they were they only journalist who went after the whole story. I blame the sports media for letting down the fans by not giving us the truth. If they would have been writing stories like the bloggers 10 years ago then maybe baseball would have done something sooner. The owners did not care, the union did not care and the journalist didn’t care because they were all getting what they wanted. Baseball is a sport that is a chronicle of our American history were we have that unusual opportunity to measure generation after generation with a game that embodies the American philosophy. And believe it or not it was a bunch of politicos of Democrats and Republicans that had to ride in and save the day by making people come and testify. It is fascinating what kind of answers you get to questions if you just ask them but I guess journalistic integrity keeps sports reporters from asking questions now. I don’t blog or live in someones basement but I know that those people who do have the right to ask these questions and if somebody is offended then sue the basement bloggers. It seems they are the only one who are willing to ask the questions. Now that to me is integrity.

]]> By: Lee Yunker http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8754 Lee Yunker Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:35:08 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8754 Does the article from Jerry Crowe in the Los Angles Times surprise anybody? Just another example of glorified media personalities putting themselves up on pedestals. "I write for the LA Times, I can report on questions surrounding PED's in MLB because of my credentials." Bull s---!!!!! This same kind of conceited thought runs ramped on local sports radio personalities throughout the country as well as national sports TV reporters (see Ken Rosenthal). So a guy like JRod or his peers don't know what they're talking about because they only blog on a minor website. Or even a "chump" like myself who reads a lot of different media forums and post comments on what he feels about a certain topic. Opinion is Opinion, period. I'm not saying that I hate TV or newspaper sports media personalities. Personally, I take what they say to heart because they can usually get inside scoops that regular people can't. And a lot of them have a great amount of experience to draw from. But for them to attack a guy who blogs on a website because of an opinion he expresses is ridiculous! I hope this is a big learning experience for all media members. The internet is here to stay! The rest of the pompous sports media outlet reporters must accept this. And a little reminder, "Check your own before you attack someone you might not like or respect. It proabaly would be nice for you to not look like a moron next time you critize." Does the article from Jerry Crowe in the Los Angles Times surprise anybody? Just another example of glorified media personalities putting themselves up on pedestals. “I write for the LA Times, I can report on questions surrounding PED’s in MLB because of my credentials.” Bull s—!!!!!

This same kind of conceited thought runs ramped on local sports radio personalities throughout the country as well as national sports TV reporters (see Ken Rosenthal). So a guy like JRod or his peers don’t know what they’re talking about because they only blog on a minor website. Or even a “chump” like myself who reads a lot of different media forums and post comments on what he feels about a certain topic. Opinion is Opinion, period.

I’m not saying that I hate TV or newspaper sports media personalities. Personally, I take what they say to heart because they can usually get inside scoops that regular people can’t. And a lot of them have a great amount of experience to draw from. But for them to attack a guy who blogs on a website because of an opinion he expresses is ridiculous!

I hope this is a big learning experience for all media members. The internet is here to stay! The rest of the pompous sports media outlet reporters must accept this. And a little reminder, “Check your own before you attack someone you might not like or respect. It proabaly would be nice for you to not look like a moron next time you critize.”

]]> By: Gregg Doyel http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8750 Gregg Doyel Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:04:12 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8750 I think I love you. Great freaking post. I think I love you. Great freaking post.

]]> By: Around the Lot Links for Wednesday June 24 | UsTailgate http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8749 Around the Lot Links for Wednesday June 24 | UsTailgate Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:18:21 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8749 [...] The Curious Case of Journalists Perpetuating “Pathetic” and “Ridiculous” Steroid Speculation (Midwest Sports Fans) [...] [...] The Curious Case of Journalists Perpetuating “Pathetic” and “Ridiculous” Steroid Speculation (Midwest Sports Fans) [...]

]]> By: Jonathan Atwood http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8748 Jonathan Atwood Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:58:25 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8748 All the controversy over your Ibanez article showed was that the main stream media has an over the top amount of contempt for the blogosphere. Whether you agree with speculating or not, it was BS to make an example out of you, rather than the multitude of other "respected" journalists out there that do the same thing. I'm from Philly and Rosenthal is on the local sports tv shows a lot and I really like his work and his insight, but he was unfair to you on OTL. You're right, the bloggers did not invent the steroid problem, we are not even the majority of those perpetuating the "speculation" and if anything, bloggers (you know, fans) are the ones that called out the players, the league, and the "media" for failing to address the problem in the first place. Bloggers should be congratulated for how we've handled this situation, not demeaned. All the controversy over your Ibanez article showed was that the main stream media has an over the top amount of contempt for the blogosphere.

Whether you agree with speculating or not, it was BS to make an example out of you, rather than the multitude of other “respected” journalists out there that do the same thing.

I’m from Philly and Rosenthal is on the local sports tv shows a lot and I really like his work and his insight, but he was unfair to you on OTL.

You’re right, the bloggers did not invent the steroid problem, we are not even the majority of those perpetuating the “speculation” and if anything, bloggers (you know, fans) are the ones that called out the players, the league, and the “media” for failing to address the problem in the first place.

Bloggers should be congratulated for how we’ve handled this situation, not demeaned.

]]> By: JRod http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8747 JRod Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:53:21 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8747 @aj grands, are you kidding? That's a HUGE sample size to draw conclusions from... Good point AJ. Not even I, the online face of irresponsible steroid speculation, would draw any conclusions from four bases loaded at bats. If we're going to use success with the bases loaded as a basis for steroid speculation then someone better start investigating Alexei Ramirez and his 5 career grand slams. @aj grands, are you kidding? That’s a HUGE sample size to draw conclusions from…

Good point AJ. Not even I, the online face of irresponsible steroid speculation, would draw any conclusions from four bases loaded at bats. If we’re going to use success with the bases loaded as a basis for steroid speculation then someone better start investigating Alexei Ramirez and his 5 career grand slams.

]]> By: aj grands http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8744 aj grands Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:18 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8744 What I want to know is what Albert Pujols' success with the bases loaded in 4 AB's has anything to do with steroids What I want to know is what Albert Pujols’ success with the bases loaded in 4 AB’s has anything to do with steroids

]]> By: PJ http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/06/albert-pujols-steroid-speculation-continues-jerry-crowe/#comment-8743 PJ Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:23:08 +0000 http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/?p=2533#comment-8743 Excellent article. Very well said. Excellent article. Very well said.

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