Scott Pioli-Kirk Ferentz Combo a Possibility for Cleveland Browns

It is time for our daily discussion of the Cleveland Browns’ GM and head coaching positions.Scott Pioli-Kirk Ferentz Combo A Possibility for Browns

When I left off yesterday, I mentioned that Browns owner Randy Lerner had interviewed Scott Pioli for the GM position. As of last night, a report out of Boston indicated that Lerner had placed a pretty immediate deadline on Scott Pioli to make a decision. However, as reported by Mary Kay Cabot in the Plain-Dealer this afternoon, sources close to the Browns say that no such deadline was placed on Scott Pioli.

So who knows what the real deal is with all of these unnamed sources floating around. All I know is that at this point no announcement has been made that Scott Pioli is or is not the next GM of the Cleveland Browns. So I shall continue hoping that eventually the announcement is made that he takes the job.

Over the past few days I have spent some time discussing many of the candidates for head coach that Randy Lerner has already scheduled interviews with, and others who are rumored to have a chance at Romeo Crennel’s former gig. One name that has been thrown out that I have not discussed much is Kirk Ferentz, the head coach at Iowa.

The rumors of Kirk Ferentz having a chance at the Browns job are based upon his close relationship with Scott Pioli. The two worked together with the Browns back in the mid-90s when Bill Belichick was in Cleveland. The conventional wisdom has been that, should Scott Pioli leave New England and become GM at another franchise, that he might bring his good friend in as head coach.

You may remember that back around the 2002-2004 seasons, Ferentz’s name was mentioned often for NFL jobs. During that three-year span, Ferentz’ Iowa Hawkeye teams compiled a 31-7 record. In the years since, however, a couple of factors have cooled the Ferentz-to-the-NFL talk:

  1. The Hawkeyes have fallen off a bit. Before this season’s 9-4 record and Outback Bowl victory, Iowa was only 19-18 from 2005-2007.
  2. Many of the high profile college-coach-to-NFL experiments have fizzled big time. Nick Saban left LSU for the Dolphins, and stayed only two years before bolting for Alabama and leaving lots of hard feelings in Miami. Bobby Petrino infamously walked out on the Atlanta Falcons mid-season to take the head job at Arkansas and not only left bad feelings, but forever became an icon of douchebaggery in the eyes of NFL fans everywhere. These are just two examples of many over the years.
  3. The last few seasons have seen many incredible year-to-year turnarounds, in which an NFL team is pathetic one season and good the next. Just this season the Dolphins, Ravens, and Falcons completely defied preseason expectations to make the playoffs. All three teams had rookie head coaches who were assistants in the NFL the previous season. That is why names like Jim Schwartz, Josh McDaneisl, and Steve Spagnuolo, among others, have become such hot commodities this offseason.

Iowa Coach Kirk Ferentz a Possibility as Head Coach of Browns if Pioli is GMWith these three factors working against him, it is no wonder that Kirk Ferentz’s star has faded a bit with respect to his potential candidacy as an NFL coach. Plus, when many teams made overtures to Ferentz when he was hot in 2002-2004 (and even a few during 2006), he rebuffed them to stay at Iowa where he had been a coach under Hayden Fry in the 1980s. Ferentz signed a contract extension in 2004 to keep him at Iowa until 2012, and then restructured his deal in 2006 to become the highest paid coach in the Big Ten at $2.7 million annually. (All of this bio information is from his Wikipedia page, by the way.)

Earlier today, as reported by College Football Talk, after Iowa defeated South Carolina in the Outback Bowl, Kirk Ferentz addressed the renewed speculation that he could be a potential candidate to become head coach wherever Scott Pioli ends up.

Here as an excerpt from the CFT story on Ferentz:

Said Ferentz: “Scott’s a great friend of mine, and I think it’s a mutual thing. I think it’s presumptuous to think anybody knows what he’s doing right now, and he and I haven’t talked in three weeks. We’ve both been doing our jobs. I’ve got a great job at Iowa, I’ve said that many, many times. The people are fantastic, and I just feel very, very fortunate.”

Asked where the NFL fits on his “to do” list, Ferentz said, “I don’t have a ‘to do’ list. I never have. I just try to live every day and enjoy them, and I can’t think of a year I’ve enjoyed much more than this one.”

I don’t know about you, but I certainly do not read anything in there that leads me to believe that Kirk Ferentz is 100% committed to staying at Iowa. And I’m certainly not saying that to be negative in any way — it’s much better than Nick Saban chastising reporters for asking him if he is interested in Alabama, and then lying and saying no, only to leave shortly thereafter.

What I am saying is that it certainly appears that if Scott Pioli gets a GM gig in Cleveland, Kansas City, or anywhere else, that Kirk Ferentz will be right at the top of the list of candidates to be head coach. Add up the success that Ferentz has had at Iowa, his close relationship with Scott Pioli, a realization that he may be running out of chances to jump to the NFL if that is one of his goals, and the obvious bump in pay he would receive, and I think it is actually presumptuous to not consider Kirk Ferentz as a possibility to be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns. Scott Pioli is the #1 choice of Randy Lerner to be GM, and until Pioli is ruled out, you have to assume the possibility that Kirk Ferentz could follow if Pioli takes the job.

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My position has always been that I do not want one of my teams reaching into the college ranks for its head coach. Just look at the litany of failed experiments bringing college coaches to the NFL. Lou Bobby Petrino Is a ShlongHoltz, Steve Spurrier, Butch Davis, Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, and I could go on and on.

(As a quick aside, look at the picture of Bobby Petrino to the right, and notice how uncomfortable he looks holding the Falcons helmet. This is a perfect metaphor of what happens to college coaches in the NFL. They are out of their element, out of their comfort zone, and it leads to problems.)

Now try to list off the successful examples of college coaches jumping to the NFL. I can come up with Jimmy Johnson, and that’s it. Please, if I’m leaving someone out, tell me in the comments section.

The fact remains that there have been far more failures that successes. And when you look at the history of the Cleveland Browns since they returned to the NFL, the franchise itself has had far, far more failures than successes. So how would it possibly make sense to take a strategy that fails more than it succeeds, add it to a franchise that fails more than it succeeds, and expect success? Sounds like a pretty ill-advised strategy if you ask me.

Look, I have gone on record saying that I want Scott Pioli to be the next GM of the Browns, understanding all the way that he very well might tap Kirk Ferentz to be the head coach. So my endorsement of Pioli and my criticism of the idea of Ferentz-to-the-Browns certainly seems contradictory, even to me. And if a Pioli-Ferentz combination is what we get, Kirk Ferentz will certainly have my support as I take a leap of faith that Scott Pioli knows much more about what he is doing than I do.

But boy would I be skeptical and a little nervous.

NFL teams keep trying to make college coaches into NFL coaches, and it keeps failing. Perhaps Kirk Ferentz is different though. Nick Saban and Butch Davis, for instance, failed because they were control freaks whose coaching style is much more suiting to dominating college boys that working with and motivating professional men in the NFL. They also tried to handle personnel responsibilities as well. Kirk Ferentz obviously would just be coaching, while Scott Pioli would be handling GM/personnel duties. So that right there is one advantage over some of the other college-coach-to-NFL scenarios we’ve seen in the past. And Kirk Ferentz does, at least, have some NFL experience having coached with the Browns and Ravens.

Can you tell that I am trying to talk myself into a potential Kirk Ferentz era of Browns football?

I suppose I could be wasting my time. I have heard no rumor of Kirk Ferentz to the Browns that does not involved Scott Pioli being named the GM. And there is a very real possibility that I could post this and immediately find out thaKirk Ferentz Could Be the Next Head Coach of the Browns if Scott Pioli is GMt Scott Pioli has said no — rendering this post useless and making me want to bang my head against the wall for wasting my time, at least from a Browns perspective.

But I still think that Scott Pioli will end up in Cleveland. And after reading the post on CFT about Ferentz’s statements, it sure as hell sounds like he would be interested if Scott Pioli came calling. So as a Browns fan, I feel it is only prudent to prepare myself for an outcome that goes against my own personal philosophy for how to build an NFL winner — never choose a college coach for an NFL team.

Luckily, my #1 philosophy for building an NFL winner is to have a proven winner in place at the top, and trust him to make sound decisions. Scott Pioli is as proven a winner as there is available to the Browns right now for GM, and obviously has infinitely more qualifications than I do to choose a head coach. So I trust that if he is the Browns GM, he will make the right choice.

Even if it is…*gulp*…Kirk Ferentz.

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  • Big10fanstuckinBig12country

    All this speculation about Kirk leaving Iowa is BS! If you look at the roster you will see his son is on the team and probably will be a starter next year. Anybody who thinks he is going to leave Iowa for the NFL are complete idiots! Why would he leave when he has everything there and an op to couch his son. He has already stated in the past he does not want to leave until his kids are finished with school. If his son is a freshman there at Iowa, he’s probably not going to leave for at least 3 more years. That leaves him in his mid to lower 50′s. How many NFL teams would want a new head coach in the NFL at that age?

  • http://www.midwestsportsfans.com JRod

    @Big10fanstuckinBig12country, thanks for the comment. Doesn’t it suck being a Big 10 fan down here in Big 12 country? I feel your pain.

    That said, I certainly do not think the speculation is BS. I’m only reporting what I’m reading. And pretty much every major Browns media outlet is saying that Pioli’s #1 choice to be head coach wherever he goes is Kirk Ferentz. I have also heard that one of the hang-ups keeping a deal from already being done is that Pioli wants Ferentz and Lerner isn’t sure he wants a college coach.

    I agree that there are compelling reasons why Ferentz would stay at Iowa…and he very well may. But his comments after the Outback Bowl certainly seemed to leave the door wide open. Why would he not just say “I am staying at Iowa” if there was nothing there? I think because he is a class guy who does want to lie, so he talked all around it, without denying the truth: that there is a chance he might leave.

    And I don’t buy for a second that he’ll use the NFL interest to leverage for more money. He already got a contract extension in 2006 and is one of the highest paid coaches in college football.

    He may be the coach at Iowa next year, it would not surprise me. But make no mistake: if Scott Pioli is a GM in the NFL next year, there is a very real possibility that Kirk Ferentz is his head coach.

  • http://www.johnbeckord.com John Beckord

    Below are some personal observations about Ferentz. I’ve been a Hawkeye fan since attending Hayden Fry’s first game at Iowa in the early 70′s.
    1. Ferentz is a solid, honest person with real integrity.
    2. His coaching skills are many but his ability to develop talent, especially lineman, is the thing that stands out to me.
    3. Lots of coaches/schools talk about the “family atmosphere” around their football program. But looking in from the outside for 10 years, it is real at Iowa. Ferentz has a knack for motivating players to buy into the team concept…and I really don’t think he would decide the talent of players like T.O. is worth the cost (in terms of teamwork) of somewhat less-talented players who overachieve within his system.
    4. He sets high expectations for the program and expects much from his players. Outsiders may wonder about disgruntled fans calling for his job during the previous two campaigns when the Hawks essentially fell to 500. Well, he brought that on by making it clear he expected 8+ win seasons consistently. He would not be satisfied with average play in Cleveland. [note: he has bowl wins against Florida, LSU and South Carolina from the supposedly superior SEC]
    5. Finally, Ferentz comes off as a smart, friendly, average guy. No phony, arrogant crap. He also has tried to connect the program to the community & to the state. He and his wife have generously donated huge sums to the UI Children’s Hospital.
    I hope he stays at Iowa. But if he ends up in Cleveland, you will learn how good he is.

  • http://www.midwestsportsfans.com JRod

    @John Beckord, thank you very much for your reply.

    As you know if you read my post, I am skeptical about Kirk Ferentz as a potential head coach for the Browns. However, I have to say, Ferentz sounds very impressive based on what you say about him.

    If the Browns are going to dip into college, Ferentz is the guy I’d want them to get. Even over Bob Stoops. I just think that Ferenz’s disposition would make him more likely to be successful. I’m still not sold on the idea, but I appreciate you telling us Ferentz is really like, just in case there is a press conference in a few days announcing him as the new coach.

  • Marc

    The other few good coaches:

    Barry Switzer, Oklahoma, Dallas
    Tom Coughlin, Boston College, Jacksonville/N.Y. Giants
    Steve Mariucci, California, San Francisco/Detroit (He was successful at San Francisco. I won’t blame Detroit’s poor record on him because I don’t think anyone can win in Detroit)

  • Tavian B

    Ferentz is coming off a 9-4 season and royal butt whipping of a decent SEC team. His team is returning most of its starters and has a damn fine running back to replace Shon Green. The QB will be much more mature and consistent than he was at the beginning of this season. The future remains bright for Ferentz at Iowa. Why screw it up by going to Cleveland and cranking out a couple of 6-10 seasons and putting up with Kellen Winslow’s temper tantrums before getting fired.

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