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Who is the Best QB in the AFC North?

by Jerod @ 2008-08-27 19 Comments Email Post

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by Jerod Morris

For those of you who read the Chicago White Sox – Chicago Cubs Tale of the Tape, you know that I am capable of nothing less than absolute objectivity. Well, with football season on the horizon, I have decided to extend my aptitude for objective analysis to a burning and pertinent NFL question: Who is the best quarterback in the AFC North?

To answer this question, let’s begin by first removing all Baltimore quarterbacks from the equation. Whoever starts for Baltimore, be it Troy Smith, or Joe Delaware, or Kyle Boller, or Brian Billick…it doesn’t matter. When one of the backups in your division (Brady Quinn) is clearly better than any of your starters, you do not get to enjoy being part of a debate like this.

So as we set out to decide who the best QB is in the AFC North, we have three candidates: Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, and Derek Anderson. Who is the best?

Touchdowns thrown in 2007:

Carson Palmer threw 26, Ben Roethlisberger threw 32, and Derek Anderson threw 29. Advantage Roethlisberger right? Not so fast.


Remember, Derek Anderson did not start the first game of the season. He lost a coin toss to Charlie Frye. However, in his first start against Cincinnati he threw 5 TDs. Thus, if he was destined to throw 5 TDs in his first start, which he clearly was, then he would have accumulated 33 for the season (he threw one in Week 1 anyway despite not starting). I am, of course, assuming that he still would have thrown 5 against Cincinnati in Week 2. He would have. Their defense blows, and he threw 4 against them in Week 16.

Advantage: Derek Anderson

Interceptions thrown in 2007:

Derek Anderson threw 19, Carson Palmer threw 20, and Ben Roethlisberger threw 11. Once again, you might think that the statistics are clearly in Big Ben’s favor. And yet, again, you would be wrong. 11 Ints? That tells me that Roethlisberger is not taking enough chances down field. If you never push your chips to the middle of the table, how can you ever win a big pot?

Derek Anderson is more than willing to air it out and keep his main man Braylon Edwards happy. We all know that success in the NFL revolves around keeping your #1 WR happy. Don’t believe me? Answer this for me: Who had the best records in the NFL last year? New England, Dallas, and Indianapolis. Who were the most productive and happiest WRs in the league? Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Reggie Wayne.

Who do you think was happier – Braylon Edwards or Santonio Holmes? If you said Santonio Holmes then you probably also think that Bill Cowher’s sweater when he retired was cool.

This year, the combo of Derek Anderson and Braylon Edwards will join the aforementioned trio as one of the four elite QB-WR tandems in the NFL. This kind of connection is a must in today’s air-it-out NFL and will lead the Browns to the AFC North title and a playoff berth. If Derek Anderson has to throw a few picks in an effort to take some chances and keep Braylon happy, so be it. His 40 TDs this year will more than compensate.

And at least he didn’t throw 20 picks last year, which is the official threshold where you’re throwing too many and you suck. Sorry Carson Palmer.

Advantage: Derek Anderson

But enough about individual stats. Playing quarterback is about winning games.

Who won more games last year?

Carson Palmer won 7, while Derek Anderson and Roethlisberger officially tied for 10. However, we already established that Derek Anderson would have thrown for 5 TDs had he started the opening week’s game. That would mean Cleveland would score at least 35 points. Pittsburgh scored 34 points in week 1. Hence, had Derek Anderson not lost that ludicrous coin flip, Cleveland would have won 35-34 at a minimum. This would have given Derek Anderson 11 wins and a playoff berth and an AFC Title. Advantage: Derek Anderson

Who is cooler?

Let’s get Carson Palmer out of the way right off the bat. The picture below is an actual advertisement that he agreed to do.

Definitely not cool, and he has to have lost the respect of his teammates for this.

Now let’s move onto Ben Roethlisberger. First off, he screwed his team over by riding a motorcycle without a helmet, clearly violating his contract. (No Cleveland Brown player would ever do that!) And here is an actual photo of Ben right before he took off on his unfortunate motorcycle misadventure. Not cool. What about

Derek Anderson? He threw for 29 (actually 33) TDs in his first year as a starter. You have to be cool to do that. He is good friends with a Playboy Playmate, Sara Jean Underwood. Very cool. And people get him confused with a silky-smooth former NBA swingman. This is much better than being confused with Carson Daly or a menu item at Fuddruckers. (FYI…if you haven’t had the RoethlisBurger yet, you really should try it. It’s just two buns with no meat, plus a little bit of ketchup if you so desire.)

Advantage: Derek Anderson

Who would get beaten up by their backup quarterback?

Again, let’s get Carson Daly out of the way right off the bat. Are you noticing a theme here? Carson Palmer is clearly the 3rd best QB in the AFC North. Anyway, I once again remind you of the above picture. He’s probably already been beaten up by the backup quarterback and all of the other criminals on the Bengals. Could that be the explanation for the broken nose?

Big Ben’s new backup is Byron Leftwich, who is 6-5, 250 lbs. Ben Roethlisberger is 6-5, 241. So he’s only giving up 9 lbs. However, Ben Roethlisberger is white. Byron Leftwich is not. All else being equal, I’m taking the brother if there is a rumble.

 

What about Derek Anderson? Well, let’s take a quick look at his backup quarterback:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah…umm…perfectly sculpted biceps or not, unless it’s a tickle fight Derek Anderson is kicking Brady Quinn’s ass hands down.

Time to tally up the categories: Derek Anderson – 5, Ben Roethlisberger – 0, Carson Palmer – 0. We have a winner!

Based on the inarguable logic and pictorial evidence presented in this post, Derek Anderson is clearly and objectively the best quarterback in the AFC North. If you feel that you have a worthwhile contradiction, by all means present it in the comments.

Otherwise, enjoy watching the Browns’ ascent to the top of the AFC North this season. We all know that quarterback play determines the majority of the games in the NFL, and the Browns obviously have the best signal-caller in the division.


[Full Disclosure: If it was not readily apparent, the author of this piece possesses a general and irrational hatred for Ben Roethlisberger because he is the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback and because Ryan Russell has first hand knowledge that Big Ben is a Big Tool (perhaps he’ll enlighten us in the comments?).

Also, read this line from Ben Roethlisberger’s old Miami (Ohio) player page:

“broke the school single-game passing record vs. Akron throwing for 399 yards, including a 70-yard "Hail Mary" to Eddie Tillitz to win the game as time expired.”

Let’s just say that a member of the author’s immediate family was prominently involved in Akron football at that time, so listening to the radio broadcast of the Hail Mary was devastating. Damn you Ben Roethlisberger. Damn you.]

Tags: afc north, Baltimore Ravens, ben roethlisberger, braylon edwards, carson palmer, cincinnati bengals, Cleveland Browns, derek anderson, NFL, pittsburgh steelers

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  1. Much Needed Reality Check says:

    Jerod, you forgot to take your meds again! I mean, how else do you explain something this bizarre, like:

    “11 Ints? That tells me that Roethlisberger is not taking enough chances down field. If you never push your chips to the middle of the table, how can you ever win a big pot?”

    Yeah, ‘cuz everyone KNOWS of all QBs, Big Ben doesn’t ever take chances, and go downfield. Bwahahahaha!

    All stupid opinions aside, this wacky claim is easily proved wrong by the numbers. Your hero Derek’s YPA of 7.2 is DWARFED by Big Ben’s 8.1 career average — sorry to tell ya, Jer, but your hero is the dink and dunker compared to Ben.

    By the way, where’s the mention of how Derek singlehandedly CHOKED away the Brownies season against the lowly Bengals defense in the last — and biggest — game of the Brownies’ season? Funny, I couldn’t find any mention of it.

    We’ll forgive you for not recognizing the fact that Anderson isn’t fit to carry Ben’s jockstrap, because after all you did disclose the one fact that explains everything:

    “the author of this piece possesses a general and irrational hatred for Ben Roethlisberger because he is the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback…”

    At least you got one thing right.

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  2. Jerod Morris says:

    MNRC, I appreciate the well-researched response. I’d like to say that I can effectively counter your argument…but the completely honest and objective truth is that Derek Anderson has more to prove to be in the class of Big Ben and Carson Palmer.

    (My note at the end was meant to highlight the tongue-in-cheek, irrational, Browns-centric viewpoint of the post, which was really just an excuse to make fun of Bill Cowher’s sweater and Carson Palmer’s advertisement.)

    I do, however, think that Derek Anderson can enter the conversation with those two guys if he progresses in year 2. At the end of the day, Ben Roethlisberger has won a Super Bowl and Derek Anderson has yet to throw a pass in a playoff game. Until that point, no truly objective analysis could rate D.A. higher than Big Ben.

    It was just more fun to write it that way.

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  3. Much Needed Reality Check says:

    So the whole thing was tongue in cheek, and you admit Andersen is nowhere near the class of Big Ben. No harm done!

    Besides, you’re not the first to do the irrational Brownie-fan QB comparison thing. Such as the thread this rocket scientist started:

    http://thebrownsboard.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7246085224/m/5481043425

    But hey, any site that points out what a choker Carson Palmer is, not to mention gets in those homo-hilarious shots of Brady Quinn is fine by me!

    Good luck with the place.

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  4. Jerod Morris says:

    Yeah, not sure a lot of those reasons hold much water. And hey, at least we agree on Carson Palmer.

    Here’s the thing, D.A. simply does not have the experience or list of accomplishments to compete with Ben Roethlisberger in an objective debate right now.

    However, I do think that with his supporting cast and a year of improvement he will have better stats than Ben this year. I also think the Browns are better than the Steelers this year and will win the AFC North, giving Derek a chance to prove his mettle in the playoffs. That’s where Roethlisberger has him trumped…for now.

    Next offseason I think a much more statistically relevant debate will be possible. Now it’s up to Derek to go out on the field and prove it. I know this…if I was putting my money on the line when they match up this year, it would be on D.A. In part because I see him taking a huge step forward and in part because his team is progressing while the Steelers are regressing.

    The better debate is Browns vs Steelers for the upcoming season. Any thoughts?

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  5. Ryan Russell says:

    Much needed reality check,

    Talk as much shit as possible before the season starts, because the Steelers will be lucky to beat out Baltimore for 3rd place in the division. Nobody outside of Pukesburgh thinks that Big Gay Ben is carrying that douche-squad into the playoffs.

    I dare you to come back to this site after week 9 when the Steelers are 2-6 or 3-5.

    Dont get me wrong. Ben is a pretty decent quarterback (he WAS raised in O-H-I-O, for gods sake), but he is no Derek Anderson.

    If you grow up in Ohio, play high school and college football there, then two things have to be true:

    1) You get pretty decent at the QB position

    and

    2) YOU HATE THE FUCKING STEELERS

    Pittsburgh is a white-trash city with a brown-collar mentality. Bill Cowher is ugly, talks funny, and learned everything he knew from his time as a Browns assitannt coach.

    I kinda like Tomlin. Too bad he will NEVER get a ring. So sad.

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    Ray Lewis 52 Reply:

    @Ryan Russell, there’s a reason the Ravens let Derrick go….D.A. sux

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    er Reply:

    @Ray Lewis 52,

    hey guys looks like the steelers arent doing so bad huh..

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  6. Much Needed Reality Check says:

    Ryan–

    Your smack is almost as lame as your band.

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  7. Ryan Russell says:

    Much needed reality check,

    You are a pussy who wont reveal who you are. I don’t know about you, but I would much rather hang out in the grotto at the Playboy Mansion with my lame band than sit behind the counter of a gas station listening to Jim Rome all day.

    Your “smack” is as lame as your team; and your internet research skills are as creepy and weird as you are. Go get laid, man. I know you are ugly, because you are from Pittsburgh. Want me to loan you some money so you can get a nice piece of ass? Let me know. Anyway, I have to go catch a first class flight across the country. Time to get paid to get drunk.

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  8. Jerod Morris says:

    Professional Football: Bringing Browns and Steelers fans closer together since 1950!

    Reply

  9. [...] bit of crow for the article I wrote a few weeks back claiming (tongue-in-check…I swear!) that Derek Anderson is the best QB in the AFC, but at least after today we know one thing: Carson Palmer is definitely [...]

  10. Much Needed Reality Check says:

    Hey Jerod buddy, you caught this one yet? I figured since it just came out yesterday I’d revisit the ol’ North QB thread. Enjoy!

    ————————————————————————————-

    It’s official: Big Ben one of the best
    Cold, Hard Football Facts for September 30, 2008

    Big Ben is one of the all-time leaders in two of the most important stats in football.

    And now it’s official.

    The NFL requires that quarterbacks attempt a minimum 1,500 passes to qualify for official league records. Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger entered Monday night’s 23-20 overtime victory against Baltimore with 1,495 attempts.

    He tossed 24 passes against the Ravens, along the way topping the 1,500-attempt-mark needed to receive the good-pigskinkeeping seal of approval. His career stat line now looks like this:
    961 of 1,519 (63.3%), 12,311 yards, 8.10 YPA, 88 TDs, 56 INTs, and a 92.52 passer rating
    Roethlisberger has been a Cold, Hard Football Facts favorite since he exploded onto the scene as a rookie in 2004, leading Pittsburgh to a 15-1 record and a spot in the AFC title game, and then winning a Super Bowl with the Steelers in his sophomore season.

    After all, you don’t win consistently in the NFL without strong play at quarterback. So when the Steelers were suddenly winning in historic fashion (the 2004 Steelers are one of the few teams in history to win 15 games), the natural place to turn for answers was the passing game.

    And it turned out that Roethlisberger’s historic string of victories in his first two years was accompanied by historic passing efficiency numbers – especially for such a young player.

    Now in his fifth year, Roethlisberger officially enters the record books and finds himself among some of the very best passers in the history of the game. If he can repeat his first four-plus years in the league over the next four-plus season, he’s a bona fide first ballot Hall of Famer.
    ————————————————————————————–

    Wow — Hall of Fame talk already? I mean what, the dude’s like 26 or something.

    But hey, I’m sure they’ll be saying the same things about D.A. soon enough. Right?

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  11. Jerod Morris says:

    I think it’s hilarious that I made this post completely tongue-in-cheek and it has generated this kind of response. Look, I thought D.A. would play better this year, but no one in their right mind could say he’s better than Roethlisberger yet. I don’t particularly like Roethlisberger, but he’s a really good QB and been very successful to this point in his career.

    I think D.A. can and will turn it around and recapture some of rhythm he had with his WRs last season, but he has a long way to go to enter any kind of serious debate with Roethlisberger.

    However, I am quite glad that you have proven to be so defensive on the subject because it has generated some lively and entertaining commenting. My question is when are you going to step up and write a post about the Steelers that we can publish here at Midwest Sports Fans. You’ve done lots of commenting on others’ posts…why not put one out there of your own???

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  12. [...] I’ve already done that in a previous post and to be quite honest it is just too easy. So go here to see Brady Quinn in all his rugged, tough, marlboro-man-like glory. We have more important issues to discuss. (Quick [...]

  13. Midnight Writer says:

    Dear Mr. Really Unreal,

    A Halloween party with guys and girls means nothing.

    You ought to find youself a girls volleyball site to blog onto. You’d get to see plenty of interesting shots.

    Reply

  14. Ray Lewis 52 says:

    Ha Ha so Baltimore does not even get a consideration huh? Flacco is, in his rookie year, as good as any QBs in the north… and he is only going to get better

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    JRod Reply:

    @Ray Lewis 52, I stand wholeheartedly corrected. Joe Flacco has been 10 times better than Derek Anderson this year and Baltimore beat the Browns twice. The roles could very easily be reversed next season (as they were last year — the NFL is crazy like that) but you have the bragging rights this year. Brag away.

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    Ray Lewis 52 Reply:

    @JRod, No bragging here… classy reply. If we make the playoffs or not, I do think this team (ravens)is only going to get better next year. Harbaugh will get rid of a few undisciplined head cases, left over from the Billick days and pickup that big receiver from draft or FA the team needs.

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  15. JRod says:

    I would just like to state, for the record, that I am ashamed and embarrased to have written this article. Like many Browns fans, I drank the kool-aid of the 10-6 season and somehow allowed that to blind me from objective, reasonable analysis. While much of what I said in this post was tongue-in-cheek and admittedly Browns-centric, re-reading it makes me wonder if I temporarly lost the function of my brain.

    I stood up for Derek Anderson and for the Browns, laying my credibility on the line, and they repaid me by shoving a bottle of 5 hour energy up ass like a suppository. At least that’s what the 2008 season has figuratively felt like.

    I wrote this post thinking it would be my big I-Told-You-So at the end of the season. Not so much. Joe Flacco has been awesome for a rookie, and Big Ben is the QB of the first place team. Can’t argue Derek Anderson over him now. Carson Palmer? Well, he’s still a flaming hot dog deep throater.

    Not a good year for football in Ohio (no comebacks necessary MNRC – I already know what you’re going to say.)

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